Nine Year Old British Transexual (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... -girl.html)

Not sure personally, but this could be to young!

ibpervert

Now boy, 9, is a girl

By BRIAN FLYNN

RHODRI PHILLIPS

and VERONICA LORRAINE

Published: Sept 19, 2009

ANOTHER boy has turned up at school as a girl, it emerged yesterday - this time aged NINE.

Parents rapped the primary school in southern England for not alerting them, and for telling pupils at a special assembly.

Yesterday The Sun revealed that a boy of 12 had started the new term at secondary school as a girl.

Classmates of the nine-year-old sex-change boy were told he had left and been replaced by a girl.

The pupil returned to school the next day - in female uniform, with long hair in a ponytail, tied in pink ribbon.

Parents faced a flurry of questions from their bemused kids after school - and blasted staff at the primary for not informing them of the switch.

One concerned mum said: "My son came home from school and asked why one of his friends had become a girl. I thought he was joking, but he kept asking - that's when alarm bells began ringing.

"The pupil's classmates were told he had left and that a new girl would be starting in his place this term."

The Year Five children were told of what is believed to be Britain's youngest gender swap at the end of their first day back after the summer break.

A special assembly was held by the school's female head, their class teacher and the sex-change pupil's special needs teacher.

As the meeting progressed, staff seemed to acknowledge that the "new" pupil might be recognised by classmates.

The kids were told to call the pupil by a new name - which had been taped to a classroom peg.

The mum added: "They were told the new girl would be using the girls' toilet and that no-one should tease or bully her. If anyone saw the new girl being bullied they should stick up for her."

She said: "It upsets me that staff didn't mention it to parents before talking to the pupils.

"We have had to deal with the fall-out from all this. It's not a situation I or other parents are comfortable with and we've not been given any help from the school about how to handle it.

"My son is too young to really understand the significance of what's happening. It's hard to explain to him.

"He doesn't understand the differences between girls' and boys' bodies yet. I'm terrified he'll ask me if he can become a girl as well."

Another parent said: "This is distressing for both parents and kids.

"This is the talk of the playground. The kids have been told to treat this new girl as they would any other pupil, but how can they? They're confused."

The pupil missed the first day at the school on the outskirts of a city in southern England but returned on the second in a blouse and female-cut hipster trousers. It is understood the headteacher had personally masterminded the situation and was keen to help the family ease the child back into school as smoothly as possible.

It is not known whether their name has been changed by deed poll. The pupil is too young to have undergone sex change ops or hormone therapy. Patients must be 18.

A school source said: "The boy had always been rather feminine but it was a complete shock to the teachers as well as parents when the family said he wanted to return as a girl.

"But the school decided to support the child and worked with the family to make the transition as sensitively as possible. It decided to take this action after his case was confirmed by five doctors."

Last night The Beaumont Society, the world's largest transgender organisation, said the nine-year-old gender swap child was the youngest case it had heard of.

A spokeswoman said: "This child is vulnerable to bullying and teasing. They and their family have been seriously misadvised. It is hard enough for an adult to change gender.

"To go the extent that this nine-year-old has gone is unique."

Gender counsellor James Caspian said: "People should not be surprised that a child so young has these feelings. What is more of a surprise is that the child has been able to express them openly, and that because of changes in society those around the child have been so supportive."

The case emerged yesterday as The Sun revealed that a 12-year-old boy had started their first term at secondary school in southern England as a girl.

Parents who blasted the school and the child's parents on a social networking website were threatened with arrest yesterday.

Cops visited at least one mum and warned that she and others could face prosecution for harassment over their comments.

The pupil's family is under police protection at their home on a council estate.

The only "mistake" that the family had made was in misjudging public reaction. We nor the general public knows the very details which led to this so-called swap. And indeed there ARE several different medical reasons which would lead up to this. Probably the family should have changed schools somehow even if THAT'S not easy. Hindsight is sometimes 2020. But the problem didn't lie in the poor child "swapping" genders. It was with the ignorant public attitude around them. If it was known and determined that the child really did need to change their gender for medical and social reasons then the fact of the matter is that the sooner the change was made than the better off she would be. Boys can be unbelievably mean to the "dainty" and this person would have had a lifetime of having to miss out on sports (being in last place almost always), learning to keep a scowl and pack a mean punch and be a nasty dog-fighter when messed with. And then for school grades "he" would have to be considered a person lacking in "social skills" at the playground and be in constant trouble for associating with the "girls". "He" would have had to make "his" lunch hour stretch out to the very end in the cafeteria all the days of "his" life and then always "forget" to do their homework in order not to have to go outside with the others at recess time. The fact is that SHE IS A SHE and there should be NO punishment at ALL for what she has done. Everyone needs to accept this fact and to quit questioning this because they don't know the full details and to know the full details is to be prying into a person's life. Where is PunkyPink anyway? Anyway it is THEY that need to move on and leave her and her family be.

I actually feel pretty happy to read this article. I think we are way way way overdue for accepting that each person is unique and different, and that people should NOT be ostricized or scorned for their different characteristics, especially when the characteristics are not a result of personal choice but rather the result of their genetics or environment.

I believe that transgenderism is not in any way "right" or "wrong," anymore that green eyes, or blue eyes, are "right" or "wrong." You are who you are, and I offer my sincerest encouragement to anyone who is being who they really are so long as they do not hurt others.

Seriously, when I went to school, if a boy became a girl there would have been a very high probability that the bullies would have beaten her to death. I grew up in a bad place and a bad time, and even "sissy" boys were horribly treated, the notion of a girl born with the wrong genitals whould have simply been rejected and the girl in question would have been teased, beaten, treated horribly and quite possibly killed.

While I do not agree with the particular way that this child's school handled the situation - they really did blow it all out of proportion, I think it is a very good thing that the girl was allowed to be who she really is. I honestly do believe that transgenderism is more common than most people want to accept, and that there are many tortured souls out there who really should be able to express their real gender identity but they don't dare. I also believe that transgendered characteristics show up much younger than we currently admit, it is truly a good thing that people are finally beginning to accept this.

I guess to sum it up, I think this case appears to be a good step in the right direction, but I honeslty feel we still have a long way to go.

IbPervert, I agree wholeheartedly that this is much too young to be gender-swapping. There is simply no way such a young child is intellectually or emotionally equipped to be making a choice of such magnitude and far-ranging consequences. A person's individual identity is nowhere near fully formed at that age, and there is just as much likelihood that the child will grow up, choose to remain male, and regret his earlier actions, as there is that he will ultimately choose to become female. Most 9-year-olds are still learning the difference between fantasy and reality, and if this turns out to be only a childhood fantasy, then acting on it in the real world could prove to be incredibly damaging in the long run. Many adult members of this site struggle with whether their transgender or eunuch feelings are real or fantasy, so how can a 9 year old possibly know? I see nothing wrong with taking a child to a transgender counselor to explore those feelings in a therapeutic setting, but allowing a 9 year old boy to actually begin to live as a girl is simply going too far in my opinion.

I have to agree with EunuchAusTX on this topic. Being transgendered myself, I knew back at this age and even earlier that I always felt like a girl, but at 9 years old I was still doing my best to sort out my feelings, wants and desires in my own little head.

I would have loved to been able to transition at this young age, but children can be very cruel and very much not able to grasp the entire subject of being transgendered and what it all means to be this way. I took more than my share of bulling, even while trying to be a boy. Mostly because I wasn't very good at it and always wanted to be with my female classmates more than the boys.

I would have to say that full time transition should probably not be attempted before the age of 12 or 13 and at the high school level more minds have matured a bit more.

Maybe this would be a bit too young. I am thinking right before puberty would be about the right time since irreversible changes happen to your body that requires corrective surgery later.

C'mon! Supposing that that person did not have the balls and hardly any peepee, has a double xx chromosomal arrangement, and it is being shown that the body is being resistant to and not reacting to testosterone treatments and then on top of that the psycologist concurs that something should be done about the situation then something really should be done. I don't think that she should have remained in the same school is all (no matter how supportive that school would be.

devi (imported) wrote: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:38 am I don't think that she should have remained in the same school is all (no matter how supportive that school would be.

I totally agree. How stupid of the adults. I believe this is a huge failure of the older generation, forcing change on the younger. All this has done is make this poor child a martyr for diversity, while supporting the status quo. Not only must this person deal with the physical changes and differences in store, they must carry the weight of the world.

How shameful, these adults are not parents in the least, they are simply pushing responsibilty for community off on the children. Instead of building a community we get survival. Face it teachers for the state are bureuacrats, and more often than not, doing nothing has more to do with survival than action.

I went through this in the seventies with gender role diversity...and for the most part same shit! Back then it was more the teachers you had to worry about, the other kids were great. I recall a kindergarten teacher who did not want boys in her playhouse...went about hatching a diabolical plot. At least nowdays the teachers have to be careful how they cull the herd.

Sex-toy extrodanaire and ole' Pirate of the Seven Seas!

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EunuchAusTX (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:41 pm IbPervert, I agree wholeheartedly that this is much too young to be gender-swapping. There is simply no way such a young child is intellectually or emotionally equipped to be making a choice of such magnitude and far-ranging consequences. A person's individual identity is nowhere near fully formed at that age, and there is just as much likelihood that the child will grow up, choose to remain male, and regret his earlier actions, as there is that he will ultimately choose to become female. Most 9-year-olds are still learning the difference between fantasy and reality, and if this turns out to be only a childhood fantasy, then acting on it in the real world could prove to be incredibly damaging in the long run. Many adult members of this site struggle with whether their transgender or eunuch feelings are real or fantasy, so how can a 9 year old possibly know? I see nothing wrong with taking a child to a transgender counselor to explore those feelings in a therapeutic setting, but allowing a 9 year old boy to actually begin to live as a girl is simply going too far in my opinion.

I think you are mixing up two different varieties of trans people. Most of us, even if considered a sissy, grew up trying to pass as male, no matter how much we wanted to be girls. But there are a few kids that practically from birth insist that they are girls. They play with girls, play dress up, do hair, etc. Where there is a choice, I think the decision to transition should be postponed, even if the effects of puberty have to be blocked, but for some kids that really isn't an option. The most common reaction for parents is to try to block it, first by ridicule, then by punishment, then by beatings (none of which has any lasting effect), which is why so many trans kids end up turning tricks on the street. Do you remember the right wing talk show host who said if he had a trans child he would beat it out of him. But even for well meaning and understanding parents it can be brutally difficult. I would suggest you rent the video "Ma Vie En Rose" for an idea of how hard it can be even for loving parents to deal with such a child. Our society can be vicious towards those who break social norms.

Transward

Sometimes we adults don't understand how intelligent young person can be,even one of 9yrs or even younger.they may understand more then we think.Care should be taken though but we should not dismiss them ether. Ernie