Hello, I've been reading the forums and what not for several months and finally got around to asking some questions I have. First of all, some background. I have Asperger's Syndrome, not too severe, but enough to suck. For those of you who don't know, AS is a an Autism Spectrum Disorder, which is like Autism, but not as bad. In my case, my problems are soley social, i.e. social anxiety, no social skills, lack of empathy etc. The biggest problem for me is the Social anxiety, and am currently on medication for it, however, I have read about the "Eunuch's Calm" on the forums and am wondering if this might help with the anxiety. Also, would the depressionresulting from castration be diminished/eliminated from using anti-sndrogens beforehand, or do I not understand how they work?

These are all good questions. In my thinking I doubt castration in the form of what is some times called "eunuch calm" would be of benefit to you. There are also others here who can address this issue and are more familiar with the mechanism of anti-androgens. --FLO--

Myrridias (imported) wrote: Fri May 08, 2009 12:29 pm Hello, I've been reading the forums and what not for several months and finally got around to asking some questions I have. First of all, some background. I have Asperger's Syndrome, not too severe, but enough to suck. For those of you who don't know, AS is a an Autism Spectrum Disorder, which is like Autism, but not as bad. In my case, my problems are soley social, i.e. social anxiety, no social skills, lack of empathy etc. The biggest problem for me is the Social anxiety, and am currently on medication for it, however, I have read about the "Eunuch's Calm" on the forums and am wondering if this might help with the anxiety. Also, would the depressionresulting from castration be diminished/eliminated from using anti-sndrogens beforehand, or do I not understand how they work?

I have a son who is an "Aspy". I would have to say that castration is not going to help. The "eunuch calm" is a very elusive thing. Not all eunuchs find it.

While it is calming in the sense of "lower sex drive", I and many others find that general anxiety and irritability INCREASE when testosterone drops. Make sure you use chemical castration for a year before making permanant changes.

ramses (imported) wrote: Sat May 09, 2009 8:06 am While it is calming in the sense of "lower sex drive", I and many others find that general anxiety and irritability INCREASE when testosterone drops. Make sure you use chemical castration for a year before making permanant changes.

I agree with the last part of your post most enthusiastically, I believe that temporary chemical castration should be available to all adult males WITHOUT a perscription. If I had my way about it, U.S. phamacies would be able to sell depo-provera, androcur, and estrogens over the counter... funny thing, they DO sell it over the counter in Mexico and it is not causing any great health problems there, too bad the U.S. medical establishment is just too damn greedy to allow adults to make their own choices.

As for the FIRST part of your statement, well I am not too sure. You might very well be spot on right about it and then again, maybe not. Castration MIGHT be very good for someone suffering from Asperger's, then again it might not. I do honestly believe that anyone who has a problem socially is much much better off WITHOUT an annoying sex drive that has a minimal probability of ever getting satisfied.

From my own experiences with depo-provera, I can say that the wonderful RELIEF from that annoying sex drive just made everything better for me... but I also found that I wanted company more, but certainly NOT in any sexual way. But I also know, as it has become a repeated/chanted mantra here at EA, "your mileage may vary" or "castration had different and individual effects for each individual." So my entirely good experiences may be entirely unique and my own.

Still, after considering all things, here is my advice to Myrridias:

Castration MIGHT be exactly right for you, and it could very well be horribly wrong for you, but the enormous possibilities of greatly improving your life through castration should at least be explored and tested.

See a doctor, get the perscription for the TEMPORARY and reversable chemical castration. I am SURE that any doctor will push the popular and much more expensive "androcur" drug at you, I would tell you that depo-provera is much less expensive, more effective and quicker, and from what I have read much better and safer overall... but alas, "androcur" makes more money for the medical establishment so that is probably what you will have to get.

Your doctor will no doubt advise you extensively (and EXPEN$$$$IVELY!) about possible effects and side effects, so my advice might just be redundant here but I offer it anyway; BE PREPARED for a FEW side effects, that MIGHT be very good or bad depending on your perspective. You MIGHT find, as I did, that for the first time in you adult life, you FELT and cared for others more that ever before. I never had anything that I would call a "post castration depression," EVERYONE else here is emphatic that there is universally a post castration period of depression.... (except me).

Myrridias, feel free to "private message" me if you want any more of my perspective, or you might read a few of my other (very lengthy) posts in the "chemical castration" and "depo-provera" experiences threads here.

I'm convinced I have Aspergers but have not gone and had an official diagnosis. I find myself dealing with many of the same issues as yourself, but have waited for Aspergers to cease being the diagnosis du jour for anti-social disorders before I go find out. Of course, my doing so is an Aspergers trait, isn't it?

So if i am Aspergers I would be a wealth of information for you as I've been voluntarily castrated. I ask that you go read the private message I sent to you, where I have provided more detail about how I feel post-castration.

--LT

DeaconBlues (imported) wrote: Sat May 09, 2009 10:48 am I never had anything that I would call a "post castration depression," EVERYONE else here is emphatic that there is universally a post castration period of depression.... (except me).

Sorry, everyone is NOT emphatic that there is a universal experience of depression. Many do not experience it, but a very large percentage of folks DO in fact experience depression post-castration. It is not guaranteed. We very strongly warn that it is a high probability, and to watch for the symptomology and to be prepared to deal with it if needed.

Well, I guess I worded my post wrong; The sex drive thing has been bothering me since like 8th/9th grade. I think it might be like, broken somehow, might just be in my head though. Anyway I was thinking that it might help, sad that it won't but oh well. Thanks for the advice/warnings and I will start looking into antiandrogens, and I guess talk with my psych about it. May YHWH give you peace and joy!

Who knows it may very well help you everyone is not the same, also sometimes too many antiandrogens will put you below castrate levels however you can come very close and see how you feel for a while.

Everyone is not the same you may benefit and like the effects you may not.

Good luck on things and remember not to stress out and take a step at a time.

Myrridias (imported) wrote: Fri May 08, 2009 12:29 pm Hello, I've been reading the forums and what not for several months and finally got around to asking some questions I have. First of all, some background. I have Asperger's Syndrome, not too severe, but enough to suck. For those of you who don't know, AS is a an Autism Spectrum Disorder, which is like Autism, but not as bad. In my case, my problems are soley social, i.e. social anxiety, no social skills, lack of empathy etc. The biggest problem for me is the Social anxiety, and am currently on medication for it, however, I have read about the "Eunuch's Calm" on the forums and am wondering if this might help with the anxiety. Also, would the depressionresulting from castration be diminished/eliminated from using anti-sndrogens beforehand, or do I not understand how they work?

This is the first time I have heard of AS, so am speaking out of ignorance. But the lack of social graces, social anxiety, etc. etc. hit home. When I finally got around to start dealing with it because I was tired of the limits I put on my life, I first joined Toastmasters. I wanted to be drugged the first time (and the second, and the third . . . ) time I got up in front of people. But, you know, over time with the feedback from people I got better and better at dealing with people. Since I had picked a "lonely" profession for the above reasons, the problem became that after a while I liked it less because there were no people involved.

During one of those times when life turns to shit (corporate downsizing, dog died and wife became a compulsive gambler and I filed for divorce), I went a couple of times to a shrink because I wanted to change even more. He said that I had already done most of the work thru Toastmasters and getting involved with the community, but had some recommendations. It was just as tough, but I started going to things and sitting in the middle of the room instead of on the edges of the group.

Now there are all kinds of situations that don't even cause a second thought. I consciously have to remember how I was and then thank God that I wanted to change bad enough to do it.

If you are at all like me, the answer is not in medication. The answer is to go out and do the things and get in the situations that cause panics. Hang in there and you can re-wire your response.

Whether you are like or dissimilar to me, good luck. Life starts getting great once one starts tearing down the bars that one has built for oneself.