i found this group about a few months ago and have enjoyed so all the posts and advice many of you readily give. most of all i want to thank plezherus for his posts about androcur. after reading his opinion and experience i decide to give it a go.

i should explain my motovation. i am straight, 47 and married to a wonderful woman. my problem is that i am addicted to sex. my drive and the need for sex is so high, it almost killed me a couple of years ago, at least i thought it was. what happened is that stress lead me to the emergency room one afternoon as i thought i was having a heart attack. i was 44 at the time. come to find out, it was guilt from the affair i was having.

i surmised this because with my first wife, whom i never really loved, i cheated on her so many times i couldn't begin to count. with my wife now, it took about 10 years for me to stray (mostly due to her want for sex dropping off, i think) but stray i did.

then came this other woman and the affair. she was 29 and i 43. she wanted it as much as i and boy did we. anyway, it started to become more than an affair and that's when my problems started. the stress and guilt shot me a warning across my bow.

so, the affair ended and the guilt was still there. i then made a leap of faith and confided in my wife about why i had the problem. she, true to her make up, only chastised me for being a fool and almost killing myself. she loves me just as much as she ever has. that conversation happened 1.5 years ago.

last summer, it happened again. i was back at it and didn't care. i just made sure i didn't get emotionally involved. obviously it doesn't speak well of my ability to commit to my wife. with all this, i decided i needed to do something about this. i then began to look about for castration.

i thought i had met a cutter but sadly it turned out not to be so. then i found this group and the comentary about androcur. 2 weeks ago i ordered some (100 50mg tablets) from an italian pharmacy and they arrived today! i took my first two at 12:30pm. accoring to the instructions and what i've read i'll begin a regiment of 200mg/day (two 100mg, one morning one evening) and after a week cut back to 100mg/day. then about a week later 50mg/day then to the maintenance dosage (at least this is my plan - please feel free to jump in)

thank you all for so much help. this part of the journey will help me to decide is surgery is the right choice.

joe

bird (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2002 1:33 pm i thought i had met a cutter but sadly it turned out not to be so. then i found this group and the comentary about androcur. 2 weeks ago i ordered some (100 50mg tablets) from an italian pharmacy and they arrived today! i took my first two at 12:30pm

thank you all for so much help. this part of the journey will help me to decide is surgery is the right choice.

joe

If you have not done so already, I would suggest you talk to your personal physician about what you are doing, and why. Note that he cannot stop you from taking the androcur. What you should ask for is a complete health checkup, especially for liver functions, and ask your physician how often he wants to check you. Side effects from androcur are possible, and there is no reason not to be on guard.

But if all goes well, and in most cases it does, then you should soon see and feel the results. For some idea of what you might expect, go to...

http://www.geocities.com/sherrylanina/SJC.html

...and click on her link to her castration pages. You should start by reading her section titled "The Effects Of Castration"

thank you andrew, i've already scheduled that.

also, i'll take in the reading as well. missed that one somehow.

joe

Bird,

I was exactly in the same boat as you -- an extreme sex addict, even though I am married to a wonderful woman. My main "crime" was to frequent prostitutes, and my despair (at my lack of control) drove me to get seriously interested in castrating myself. I have been to the emergency several times.

Finally, I got a psychiatric referral. They diagnosed me as sexually obsessive/compulsive, and prescribed Celexa (a modern version of Prozac).

I had my sex drive under control within two days! Before taking it I would masturbate up to ten times per day. Now I don't even masturbate because my weekly sex with my wife is enough.

I would seriously suggest you seeing a psychiatrist and mention that you have heard that SSRI type drugs are helping people with obsessive compulsive disorders, including paraphilias (sexual obsessions).

If you are heterosexual like me, you will not like the feminizing aspects of hormonal or surgical castration. I have spent years pursuing the castration route, and now strongly believe in the Celexa.

actually, i'm not worried about the effects andorcur will have (breasts, etc), i'll start a calcium supplement sometime soon.

my question for the others on androcur is, how long did it take for you to begin to notice the stuff working? i thought that i felt calmer yesterday but last night i "tried it out" and boing, it sprang right to life!

i thought i read somewhere that after about a week the change to the libido should be evident, can anyone substantiate this?

day three, i do feel calmer.

joe

Hi Bird,

As usual when dealing with personal effects: YMMV (Your mileage may vary)

I can only talk for myself. The night after my first day on Androcur I didn't get any spontaneous erections, nor on wake up. Now I'm on week four, and the last 3 weeks, when I tried "it", "it" sprang to life, but I had to try real hard...

Yesterday, I had a chat on the phone with a girl, who normally gave me an erection. But even fondling "it" didn't get any response.

These things are very individual from one to another, but don't expect too much changes in 1 or 2 weeks. First the needs will vanish, the rest follows...

DeepCore

Depo-Provera doesn't feminize & yet kills the libido. Has anyone been feminized using Androcur?

madscientist (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2002 12:07 pm Depo-Provera doesn't feminize & yet kills the libido. Has anyone been feminized using Androcur?

The use of androcur or other anti-androgens is no more likely to cause "feminization" then a simple castration. In both cases, some muscle turns into fat and some fat redistribution takes place, but nothing that would be noticed unles you took your pants and/or shirt off. For noticeable feminization, you would probably need some form of estrogen.

The issue of feminization is somewhat misunderstood.

A man has high levels of testosterone AND low levels of estrogen; a woman has high levels of estrogen AND low levels of testosterone.

Therefore to feminize a man is a two step process:

1. Remove the testosterone to achieve low levels.

2. Add estrogen to achieve high levels.

Castration (chemical or surgical) will get you halfway feminized. You will lose many effects of testosterone (muscular strength and mass, leaner fat content, agression, and sexual drive). For a man that is a large step toward feminization!

Furthermore, men do have some estrogen. If their androgens are reduced sufficiently, their natural estrogens will start to have greater effect.

keeping along the feminizing line.......

as i stated in my first post, my goal is to become entirely faithful to my wife, as i stated above.

in the past, we've chatted about physical castration but she was luke warm towards the idea at best. monday i began taking the androcur and it has started its wonderful effects. anyway, i didn't tell my wife about it (for fear of refusal i guess).

last night at super we were alone so i brought it up again and mentioned the possibility of chemical castration. she was 100% agreeable to that so i told her that i already started. she was at first taken aback but then began the "i want to know" questions. i told her about the liver issue and told her how it typically occurs (high dosage over a protracted period of time). she was comfortable with my decision. then she asked about any other effects. i giggled. i told her about the breast development and she kind of raised an eyebrow and then this develish smirk showed up on her face. i asked her what that was for and she said never mind.

this moring she handed me my moring dosage.

joe (its the little things in life that make it worth while)