Just curious if anyone has any experience of switching from Siterone to depo provera. I have been on 150 mg of siterone per day for the last year. I am now switching to prebill 150mg injected every 3 weeks.

My question is as far as the effects go should I expect the same results or will depo provera be a totally different kind of "ride" so too speak. I was looking for someone with experience with this for some insight. I am switching due to the cost and depo looks like a cheaper alternative. I really liked the way siterone worked but I will have to switch for now.

Thanks terry

It works on the endocrine system in a completely different way. THe body mistakes provera for T so it doesn't make as much. CA works by shutting down (TSH?) one of the hormones produced in the pituitary gland that tells the testicles/adrenals to pump out some T.

It works great for some people and I tolerated it better than the CA but maybe it was just because the CA took the T lower. I got cold easier on the DP. YOur experience will vary so you'll just have to try it for yourself. Normally, I'd consider starting with two 150mg injections but it may not be necessary if you are already taking CA.

Thanks Ramses for the reply. I will probally do the 2 injections the first time also. I really liked how low my T went on CA and hope I get simular results. I should be getting my DP any day now.

I am not sure how I will continue as I dont want to have to buy meds forever. I have been chemically castrated now for about 13 months now. I have 2 failed attempts with the burdizzo and I have all but given up on that. I have been riding pretty low for awhile now due to the failed burdizzo attempts and the choices I am left with. I really want and need to be castrated but due to the cost and the unlikely hood of finding a doctor to do it. I feel that I am being pushed into a corner leaving me with only other un orthodox methods of castration.

Thanks Terry

tr_80504 (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:17 am I am not sure how I will continue as I dont want to have to buy meds forever. I have been chemically castrated now for about 13 months now. I have 2 failed attempts with the burdizzo and I have all but given up on that. I have been riding pretty low for awhile now due to the failed burdizzo attempts and the choices I am left with. I really want and need to be castrated but due to the cost and the unlikely hood of finding a doctor to do it. I feel that I am being pushed into a corner leaving me with only other un orthodox methods of castration.

Thanks Terry

Hey friend,

If possible find a nice corner, see that you keep your back free and fight

It really sucks that almost everywhere they are willing to turn a boy into a girl and vise versa, and they like to forget about us. I am about in the same position as you....and I guess I am not going to take no for an answer that easy. If needed I will promisse them a nice horror story at the emergency of a hospital. But first I will give it a real try to go normal.

If I find out something, you will be one of the first to hear about it

loveU

J***

tr_80504,

I went through 2 1/2 years of chemical castration much like you, liking most of the effects of low testosterone. I was on a monthly injection of DP and 100mg of Spironolactone daily. Both my wife and I were pleased with the results but it didn't seem to be the total answer. I liked the low T but didn't necessarily want to have to take those meds forever and there disn't seem to be a workable option to get castrated safely and inexpensively. Seems like the same position you are in.

The one possibility I explored was alcohol. It is known that chronic alcohol abuse will lower testosterone and sperm levels in males. And that is with only 0.2% blood alcohol concentrations. I decided to try injecting a small volume of 100 proof vodka into my testicles. There is more to doing that than I want to describe now. I occasionally injected up to 3ml in each testicle- no pattern or set schedule. Sometimes I did it several days in a row and other times I didn't do it for a couple weeks. Over a 6 month period I used not quite half of my bottle of vodka. My testicles became totally numb and were smaller, much more firm and stayed in the top of my scrotum. We also kept up with the DP and Spiro so there was no real change in my testosterone level that I could directly attribute to the alcohol that wasn't already present with the chemicals. On a routine physical with my PCP, he discovered my unusual testicles without me complaining of any low T symptoms. He sent me for an ultrasound and after getting that report to a urologist. The urologist was puzzled as to why my testicles seemed to not be functioning- of course I never mentioned the meds and alcohol. Anyway, he did more tests, another ultrasound and eventually a biopsy of them. He then wanted to wait for three months to see if there would be any spontaneous rejuvination to be measured by a T test then. I responded by switching from mere vodka to 190 proof Everclear grain alcohol. The three month T test was lower so he gave me a prescription for replacement testosterone and we scheduled my castration. I like to think it played out well because I didn't complain of any low T symptoms or seemed anxious to get castrated. The doctors discovered it and worked out the medical solution.

Admittedly, this wasn't a simple or straight forward process to get castrated. But it seemed a logical extension of the chemical castration to get to the point where I did not need the chemicals or have their continued expense. My total cost for the vodka, grain alcohol and a box of syringes was less than $60. I think I would have been happy to just end up with my testicles not working at all, but then to have it end up with my urologist removing them in a safe setting and having our insurance cover it all was an added bonus.

I'm not recommending this process for you, just saying that it worked for me. I'm confident the alcohol injections had killed off the functioning of my testicles so we could have stopped the alcohol and the chemicals and not noticed any change. I understand how it is to be chemically castrated and pleased with the results not seeing any really viable options nowdays other than continuing with the chemicals and their expense.

Thanks for the response. I would imagine that it burns quite abit doesnt it? But I guess that would be the price I have to pay. I am okay giving myself injections but not sure if I could get myself to stick a needle in my testicles. I assume that the injection site would be towards the middle below what is epididymis avoiding the blood vessels?

I did inject myself before clamping but did kind of cheat and used predeadner before I injected the lidocaine. I think is is kind of mental for me to be sticking a needle in my nut sack. I guess it boils down to how much I want it. It definitely is what I desire and want badly and it weighs on my mind constantly so maybe this is the way out for me. It has been depressing that after all the clamping that I am back to relying on the meds. I thought that clamping was the answer. I know there are alot of people that it fails for but I thought that I "did it right" , but I guess that would have been too easy.

As far as my GP he is aware of my taking meds to lower my T, so what you did probally wouldnt work for me. However I would be satisfied with just killing them both and having them removed would be a added bonus but not required.

Jean Op den Kamp (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:24 am Hey friend,

If possible find a nice corner, see that you keep your back free and fight

It really sucks that almost everywhere they are willing to turn a boy into a girl and vise versa, and they like to forget about us. I am about in the same position as you....and I guess I am not going to take no for an answer that easy. If needed I will promisse them a nice horror story at the emergency of a hospital. But first I will give it a real try to go normal.

If I find out something, you will be one of the first to hear about it

loveU

J***

Thanks its hard when you want it as bad as I do and the docs dont give you the option without jumping thru all sorts of hoops. It shouldnt be that big of a deal for a consenting adult to get this done. good luck in your search and I too will keep you informed.

tr_80504 (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:50 pm Thanks for the response. I would imagine that it burns quite abit doesnt it? But I guess that would be the price I have to pay. I am okay giving myself injections but not sure if I could get myself to stick a needle in my testicles. I assume that the injection site would be towards the middle below what is epididymis avoiding the blood vessels?

I did inject myself before clamping but did kind of cheat and used predeadner before I injected the lidocaine. I think is is kind of mental for me to be sticking a needle in my nut sack. I guess it boils down to how much I want it. It definitely is what I desire and want badly and it weighs on my mind constantly so maybe this is the way out for me. It has been depressing that after all the clamping that I am back to relying on the meds. I thought that clamping was the answer. I know there are alot of people that it fails for but I thought that I "did it right" , but I guess that would have been too easy.

As far as my GP he is aware of my taking meds to lower my T, so what you did probally wouldnt work for me. However I would be satisfied with just killing them both and having them removed would be a added bonus but not required.

If you want to do that, please take your time, clear your mind, be prepared for what you are going to do and leave all other thoughts behind you. Don't let yourself get surpriced by the force you need to get the needle through the outside of the testicle, as it is pretty strong.

Don't read this out as an advice, only a little help if you decide to go for it.

tr_80504,

Injecting the alcohol into my testes was sometimes painful but sometimes not. I used a syringe with a relatively small needle, 25 gauge and 5/8 inch in length. Obviously length doesn't matter much but the larger the gauger, the smaller the hole you need to poke in the scrotum and testicle. You need to study the anatomy of the testicles to visualize what you are doing, You just want to inject the alcohol in the areas where the Leydig cells are. And be sure to avoid the epidymus (spelling?) I grasp the testicle in one hand and pulled the skin tightly arond it so I could work the syringe with my other hand. The outer skin was tougher then I expected to het the needle thru but then there were the two, tough, outer layers of the testicle. They made a neat popping sound when the needle pierced them. Injecting the alcohol was strange. Sometimes it was unbearably painful with only 0.1ml injected- other times 3 ml could be tolerated. I tried to average 1 1/2 ml for each injection but it varied if I could do that. I found that if it really hurt, it was best to stop and try again the next day or whenever. The alcohol didn't really burn but you couldn't help but notice it. However, the discomfort of it in the balls was very short lived. It never bothered me more than 5 minutes from each injection. It didn't take too long before I lost all feeling in the testicles. I could squeeze one as hard as I wanted between a couple fingers and feel no pain. I am wondering of they were non-functional at that point?

You are correct in the assessment of how bad do you want it in regards to the pain. I am much better with that if I am in control. I've had numerous injuries with stitches over the years. My wife, a nurse, is willing to remove the stitches, but I find it is less painful to do it myself, especially the ones that get kind of healed over and you have to dig a bit to get at it. I also did my own frenum piercing and stratched it to 1/2 inch in diameter.

I second the idea of giving DP a try. My current regimine is 1 150mg shot every 2 to 3 weeks tokeep things in check. I get good resultsl greatly lowered libido, with minimal hassle now.