Hello all,

I am still rather new to this forum, having participated in one thread a couple weeks ago. I am a non-elective eunuch (the equipment is still there, but it's quit working.)I have been on TRT since November; three months ago I was just into the normal range for Total T and fairly well into the normal range for free T. I had been feeling fairly well compared to my pre-diagnosis "crash".

Lately, I have been getting a bit more tired and yesterday's lab results indicated why. My Total T has gone below normal and my free T is low normal (maybe below normal depending on what authority you consult.) I had been using a 5 gram packet of Androgel (5 milligrams supposedly gets into your system.) The doctor has now increased the dosage to a 7.5 gram packet. I hope this is enough to do the trick.

My question(s) ..... I am quite interested to know how much medication those of you who are on TRT, are requiring to feel "normal" again. I realize that there are shots, gels, and patches, and that everyone is different. I sort of feel worse after looking at my test results (all in my head, of course.) Thanks in advance.

Regards,

JayBee

Back in 1999, I had 10 mg. of oral fluoxymesterone a day for almost 2 months. My Dr. then kept a close watch on my liver - no problems there. But there could have been. He then wanted to try injections. HOWEVER since I freak out when I see needles, I not only refused on those grounds but also on the grounds that the oral meds -which took like 3 weeks to kick in - were tearing me up so bad that I had to stop. I wanted NOTHING to do with "something that works better than the pills do."

The recharged sex drive was OK for a bit, but the anxiety, chest pains, and aggression - not to mention oily skin and more shaving and the tremors told me otherwise. Of course, after ceasing the meds, there was round #2 of adapting to low hormone levels ...

I am on HRT.

I find that I feel really good and quite normal on a half tsp of 20% testosterone gel. Actually I feel great.

When my "T" was low, I wasn't calm, I was just severly depressed, in fact that's when my fasination with castration developed. (That and being a closeted and married gay man). I also became obssesive about sex. My theory is that I turned to sex as a way to overcome the depression.

Once I started HRT my "raging Libido" diminshed and now is quite under control. If I had gone and castrated my self, which I was ready to do, I might have then been severly depressed with no way to self medicate myself.

In the end it has all worked out. I am out and have a boyfriend. I have plenty of "T" and I have my fantasy since I am effectively castrated. Presently my balls have shrunk to the point I often I can't find them.

SteveBroBear

I recall reading that HT has that effect. We act off of prejudice sometimes. I need to do more research.

, at least in an article, I vaguely recall reading does have a calming effect. Men with high testosteron are less violent than men who have low levels. Any comments, references, and experiences outside of Andrew's experience of serenity?

Sexless (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2002 3:29 am , at least in an article, I vaguely recall reading does have a calming effect. Men with high testosteron are less violent than men who have low levels. Any comments, references, and experiences outside of Andrew's experience of serenity?

Offhand, I would tend to doubt that high testosterone levels are calming. It's just counterintuitive, and goes against the whole "roid rage" thing. For me, I've found that my temper became a lot worse when I was on testosterone, especially about 3-4 days after the shot.

IEunuch.

BroBear is right about the severe depression (at least as far I my experience goes.) I can still find my balls, but they are shrinking at an alarming rate. I, also, had a much higher libido when I was testosterone deprived, although I was suffering from some degree of impotence (not any more!)

About the "Roid Rage" thing .... I have also read somewhere that most sexual predators have low levels of T. The "Roid Rage" thing seems to be only among a small percentage of body builders and such who use insanely high doses of steroids. Maybe they were a bit crazy to begin with. It's hard to say how reliable any of these studies have been.

JayBee

Sexless (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 05, 2002 3:29 am , at least in an article, I vaguely recall reading does have a calming effect. Men with high testosteron are less violent than men who have low levels. Any comments, references, and experiences outside of Andrew's experience of serenity?

All the reliable research I have read would indicate that higher levels of testosterone equate to higher levels of libido and aggression. I suppose there will always be rare exceptions.

But my serenity is not unique. On his older web site, Dr. Spector wrote this about the primary effect of castration...

"In either the case of TS or eunuch, a deep calm serenity develops which, from then on, makes life far more worthwhile."

Of course, the Good Doctor was talking about "elective"eunuchs and those wanting to change sex. I first heard the phrase "The Eunuch Calm" from Jeff, Dr. Spector's eunuch assistent. It fits me.

observations. I simply don't know. I know that just know I have a raging libido but for the first time that I can remember no ability to climax. The medications that I take for depression often seem to work one way some of the time and another way other times. I mean that sometimes that keep be awake, other times they make me sleep. I don't understand them.

Jaybee

In my first post I was going to say that low T levels and depression have been clinicly linked.

In my case there is no doubt the overactive libido went hand in hand with low T levels. For me going on HRT was like throwing a switch. Before I was mastrbating 2 to 3 times a day and not satisfied. Since going on HRT, at times I've gone up to two weeks between cums. It's strange, I am in control now. Plus I look forward to execising, and have put on lean body mass, which is critical in managing my diabeties.

I have had no uncontrolled anger, but I am a lot more likely to stand up for what I want now.

Along those lines Sexless was talking about, I was on Paxcil for a while. I wasn't as depressed as I had been but I became mentally non functional and I was horny as hell all the time but could not orgsam. Sexually I was more out of control than I was without the Paxcil.

So go figure. The results I have are not what eunuch gospel says should happen. Even I would have been skeptical of the results, if I had not experienced then myself.

Bottom line is I am getting what I want, and some surprising benifits. My balls spend most of their time up in the canals now and my sack looks just like there is nothing there.

Steve BroBear