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BBC Ranks Most Overrated Albums Ever

Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:12 pm
by jane_says (imported)
The BBC has released the top 10 most overrated albums of all time:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/events/over ... list.shtml

1. Nirvana - Nevermind

"One great single maybe but the rest is irritating second rate rock with mindless whining that had, has been, and is being written everywhere by admittedly less pretty and tragic characters."

Greg Spellman, Northamptonshire

"There were many better bands - Dinosaur Jr, Mudhoney, The Pixies - who came before. Nirvana just came along at the right time and captured that Zeitgeist and then became the marketing mans dream."

Ewan Swain

"Whilst I quite enjoy "In Uetro" I can't see what all the fuss about 'Nevermind' is about. Other than "Smells like..." there really isn't a decent tune on there."

Chris, Birmingham

2) COLDPLAY - X&Y (2005)

3) THE LIBERTINES - THE LIBERTINES (2004)

4) OASIS - DEFINITELY MAYBE (1994)

5) U2 - THE JOSHUA TREE (1987)

6) RADIOHEAD - OK COMPUTER (1997)

7) THE BEATLES - SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND (1967)

8) THE BEACH BOYS - PET SOUNDS (1966)

9) SEX PISTOLS - NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS (1977)

10) THE SMITHS - THE QUEEN IS DEAD (1986)

While I agree with a few (1 - and I like Nirvana, but I never got the Kurt-worship; 2 - I like Coldplay too, but they're not gods, and that album wasn't that great; and 3 - who the hell cares about the Libertines?) I think most of these choices are garbage - meaning the albums are great, and it's crazy they made the list.

What do you think?

Re: BBC Ranks Most Overrated Albums Ever

Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:23 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
I have only herd of two of them and I own one. What can I say.

River

Re: BBC Ranks Most Overrated Albums Ever

Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:07 pm
by Blaise (imported)
jane_says (imported) wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:12 pm The BBC has released the top 10 most overrated albums of all time:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/events/over ... list.shtml

1. Nirvana - Nevermind

"One great single maybe but the rest is irritating second rate rock with mindless whining that had, has been, and is being written everywhere by admittedly less pretty and tragic characters."

Greg Spellman, Northamptonshire

"There were many better bands - Dinosaur Jr, Mudhoney, The Pixies - who came before. Nirvana just came along at the right time and captured that Zeitgeist and then became the marketing mans dream."

Ewan Swain

"Whilst I quite enjoy "In Uetro" I can't see what all the fuss about 'Nevermind' is about. Other than "Smells like..." there really isn't a decent tune on there."

Chris, Birmingham

2) COLDPLAY - X&Y (2005)

3) THE LIBERTINES - THE LIBERTINES (2004)

4) OASIS - DEFINITELY MAYBE (1994)

5) U2 - THE JOSHUA TREE (1987)

6) RADIOHEAD - OK COMPUTER (1997)

7) THE BEATLES - SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND (1967)

8) THE BEACH BOYS - PET SOUNDS (1966)

9) SEX PISTOLS - NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS (1977)

10) THE SMITHS - THE QUEEN IS DEAD (1986)

While I agree with a few (1 - and I like Nirvana, but I never got the Kurt-worship; 2 - I like Coldplay too, but they're not gods, and that album wasn't that great; and 3 - who the hell cares about the Libertines?) I think most of these choices are garbage - meaning the albums are great, and it's crazy they made the list.

What do you think?
All Beatles albums are on my list. Nirvana is overrated. The Beachboys were awesome. I gave away all my rock albums a few years ago, but I do still have some discs. Rock was always a bit overrated. It was fun but not as serious as we pretended it to be.

The Grateful Dead were fun and I still listen to R.E.M. sometimes. There is a lot to enjoy in rock without over doing it. Susan Sontag alludes to this in a little essay she did on Wagner. The essay is included in her last collection of essays Where the Stress Falls. I do like a lot of the And, heck, that includes all the albums on this silly list.

Re: BBC Ranks Most Overrated Albums Ever

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:51 am
by Dave (imported)
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jane_says (imported) wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:12 pm 7) THE BEATLES - SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND (1967)

That's the strangest choice of any album to be on that list. Quite possibly the worst choice.

Before Sgt Peppers, all recordings were merely studio recordings. The band, group, hired musicians and singers got together and stood before microphones and recorded a song from beginning to end. If that take wasn't good, the repeated it. Then they did a second song for the flip side (in the case of 45 records, you have two sides).

Even classical recordings were done studio style or live and all the faults were left in them. That's one of the attractions of the oldest classical recordings - you can hear the slight deficiencies of the orchestra and how conductors worked through them.

Now not all recordings were equal. Sinatra, for instance used full orchestras and elaborate orchestrations. If you do a little research on Sinatra, you'll find the best, the very best, musicians and scores. Sinatra demanded quality and got it.

Other recordings were just like you can see in the Movie "Oh Brother Where Art Though" ... Nothing is wrong with either approach. BTW.

"Sgt Peppers" was the first album ever to have pre and post recording production. To the tune of 600 hours of non-studio work, over-dubbing, and re-recording. There isn't a recording in the world today that is done in one take (unless it's those silly "live" albums, that really aren't because they snip out noise and overdub the audience sneezes.)... It used synthesized sounds on keyboards and multi-track taping.

Peppers was a watershed, a landmark. Nothing after it was ever the same in the world of recorded music. Today, no one does a studio recording without multitrack and overdubbing and all that digital stuff. We even have people singing with the "Dead" - for instance Natalie Cole singing duets with her father Nat King Cole. That album owes its origin to "Peppers."

Re: BBC Ranks Most Overrated Albums Ever

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:53 pm
by Blaise (imported)
Dave (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:51 am That's the strangest choice of any album to be on that list. Quite possibly the worst choice.

Before Sgt Peppers, all recordings were merely studio recordings. The band, group, hired musicians and singers got together and stood before microphones and recorded a song from beginning to end. If that take wasn't good, the repeated it. Then they did a second song for the flip side (in the case of 45 records, you have two sides).

Even classical recordings were done studio style or live and all the faults were left in them. That's one of the attractions of the oldest classical recordings - you can hear the slight deficiencies of the orchestra and how conductors worked through them.

Now not all recordings were equal. Sinatra, for instance used full orchestras and elaborate orchestrations. If you do a little research on Sinatra, you'll find the best, the very best, musicians and scores. Sinatra demanded quality and got it.

Other recordings were just like you can see in the Movie "Oh Brother Where Art Though" ... Nothing is wrong with either approach. BTW.

"Sgt Peppers" was the first album ever to have pre and post recording production. To the tune of 600 hours of non-studio work, over-dubbing, and re-recording. There isn't a recording in the world today that is done in one take (unless it's those silly "live" albums, that really aren't because they snip out noise and overdub the audience sneezes.)... It used synthesized sounds on keyboards and multi-track taping.

Peppers was a watershed, a landmark. Nothing after it was ever the same in the world of recorded music. Today, no one does a studio recording without multitrack and overdubbing and all that digital stuff. We even have people singing with the "Dead" - for instance Natalie Cole singing duets with her father Nat King Cole. That album owes its origin to "Peppers."

Hearing Sergeant Pepper was a turning point for me. It was one of a very few rock albums that I had noticed in my late youth. Of course, I knew James Brown and other artists. I liked the Kinks for some reason that I have never grasped.

But this was the first rock album to fascinate me. Actually, I was 24-years-old when I first encountered this album. Sergeant Pepper changed the way I listened to music. I am not certain that I heard it as rock music. I did not know much about rock until at least four years later.

Jefferson Airplane introduced itself with Surrealistic Pillow that same year. It was also a power piece of work, but I don’t think that I really heard it until the next year. I agreed with Michael Rossman that we were witnesses to a birth of a new era in music. Maybe we did and maybe we didn't, but the music was important to a lot of us.

I had to filter my response through art song, folk music, and other such types but somehow the sound hit me. I did not really think of the album as rock music.

Without Sergeant Pepper would we have later known the Dead and most of the other groups that defined an important interval in the lives of some of us. Thanks for reminding me of all this.

Re: BBC Ranks Most Overrated Albums Ever

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:17 pm
by mrt (imported)
Petsounds was an important album but personally I never cared for the Beach boys.

Sgt Pepper was over rated?

Nevermind had one good song?

The BBC reviewers are IDIOTS!

Re: BBC Ranks Most Overrated Albums Ever

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:20 pm
by mrt (imported)
First - live albums are not "silly" some SUCK but the good ones are great because they are live. And second, some groups ARE into a less multitracked wall of sound sort of thing. Look up the making of the White Stripes Records. One of which was done in a day on a reel to reel and was one of the best records of the year.

Re: BBC Ranks Most Overrated Albums Ever

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:41 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
Actually its Classical it is and rock is not. Peppers, I remember the album but I could not tell you even one song on it to save my life. Give me a good opera any day.

River

Re: BBC Ranks Most Overrated Albums Ever

Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:19 pm
by kristoff
Riverwind (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:41 pm Actually its Classical it is and rock is not. Peppers, I remember the album but I could not tell you even one song on it to save my life. Give me a good opera any day.

River

Somehow, I always knew you were in to those fat ladies....

Re: BBC Ranks Most Overrated Albums Ever

Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:23 am
by Blaise (imported)
mrt (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:17 pm Petsounds was an important album but personally I never cared for the Beach boys.

Sgt Pepper was over rated?

Nevermind had one good song?

The BBC reviewers are IDIOTS!
They are simply stirring up nonsense.