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A community health problem of sorts.

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:56 pm
by chilliwilli (imported)
So I was at the gym sitting in the tub. And in sits this fellow and I talk to him a bit, he seems lonely and I talked to him once before in the tub. Children are playing testing the waters while a class has a session in the therapy pool. I live in a real nice community, not snobby, but rather supportive and nonjudgemental. Anyway, a couple days later I'm on the internet and check out a site which carries the pictures of local sexual predators. This one picture looks familar. I'm slow, but a couple hours later I realize...oh shit that's the guy from the hot tub.

I don't now what the guy did, but I'm pissed off. Mad at him, the system and the gym. Twenty years ago I hung out with murders, dope fiends, buglars and probably a few sexual predators. I don't want those people around me, at all! And if I saw the guy again I would tell him to "GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE" and why would this asshole feel it is ok to sit around a bunch of kids anyway. 'Cause he is "cured" now and the law does not prohibit this behavior. Bullshit!

If I ever saw the guy again, and he did not leave immediately I can gaurantee it would rapidly progress to physical violence! Once a person violates an innocent person, their community/family and any values they may have had...well it's just like jumping off a cliff...it's over!!!!!!!!!!!!! As well as castration they should sport an obvious tattoo of their sexual identity ie rapist, child molester etc.

So I printed the guys photo, took it to the manager. I explained that it was not appropriate for this POS to be in the gym, that I was concerned for the children and that I felt violated having sat next to this person for half an hour. Carl, the manager, is a great guy. He empathized with me and let me know the guy was gone, reported and possibly violated on his probation.

So if I was to harsh, oh well...it was nice knowing you!

Seriously

chilli-

Re: A community health problem of sorts.

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:52 pm
by Paolo
You did the right thing reporting him.

The only thing you did wrong was missing the chance to have his picture blown up to poster size, hanging it up in the gym, and then calling attention to him with a megaphone so everyone could know it, too.

Re: A community health problem of sorts.

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:32 pm
by Castroboi (imported)
What you did was right and was very noble, sex offenders have not place around children especially around a pool. You should be proud of yourself that you prevented him from molesting again and corrupting any of those children. Sadly sometimes when children are abused they go to become abusers so you might have prevent another sex offender from coming into the world.

Re: A community health problem of sorts.

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:24 am
by nullorchis (imported)
Every parent, and every person who is responsible for managing a facility where children are has a responsibility to visit the web site(s) that track released sexual predators.

You can't know them all, but the ones that live in your neighborhood you need to know.

Maybe even distribute printed copies of photos of neighborhood known sexual predators. Kind of a "Predator Watch" add on to the Neighborhood Watch program.

Being on the alert, cautious, trusting no one is just an unfortunate part of life today.

Sometimes it is the nicest people who work the hardest to set you up for the "kill".

(it always has to do with money, jewelry, other valuables............., except for sexual predators.....those who prey upon and kill prostitutes, those who prey on children, people who rape over/under age women, etc.......they are just plain sicko and money, jewelry, valuables never enter into their thoughts).

Re: A community health problem of sorts.

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:20 am
by plix (imported)
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with what you did.

You admit you do not even know what he did. How do you know he is even interested in kids at all? He may have offended against an adult who was well overage, and he may have no sexual interest whatsoever in children. Why should he be forbidden from being around children if he has never thought of them sexually and he would never be interested in doing anything to them?

Or what if he did offend against a child, but it was consensual sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend when he was 18? There have been many such cases where people in this situation have been forced to register as a sex offender for life, all for having consensual sex with a girlfriend who was 17 when they were 18. Are you really suggesting that people who have done this should be alienated from and hated by society for life, and beaten up or stoned to death, all for having consensual sex with a 17 year-old girlfriend when they were 18?

You know nothing about this situation, and you irrationally jumped to conclusions. Ignorance like what you have displayed here is exactly what contributes to most of the darker side of humanity.

Then you go on to say that if you see this guy sitting somewhere minding his own business, not bothering anyone, you will physically attack him?

Supportive and nonjudgemental? BS.

You say that this guy seemed lonely when you saw him. He was probably glad to see you approach him, and he probably thought that maybe he would finally make a friend who could love him for who he is and not judge him for his past. If I came across this guy, I know that I would let him know that I understand that people make mistakes, and that I certainly am in no position to judge him for his. I would offer him friendship and let him know that I respect him for the human person he is, regardless of what he has done.

Attitudes toward these people like yours are exactly why such people do what they do. You want him alienated from society, hated and mistreated by all he meets, and then you wonder why he re-offends. Have you ever thought about what he might do if someone showed him a little bit of compassion?

Re: A community health problem of sorts.

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:14 pm
by Kangan (imported)
chilliwilli (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:56 pm So I was at the gym sitting in the tub. And in sits this fellow and I talk to him a bit, he seems lonely and I talked to him once before in the tub. Children are playing testing the waters while a class has a session in the therapy pool. I live in a real nice community, not snobby, but rather supportive and nonjudgemental. Anyway, a couple days later I'm on the internet and check out a site which carries the pictures of local sexual predators. This one picture looks familar. I'm slow, but a couple hours later I realize...oh shit that's the guy from the hot tub.

I don't now what the guy did, but I'm pissed off. Mad at him, the system and the gym. Twenty years ago I hung out with murders, dope fiends, buglars and probably a few sexual predators. I don't want those people around me, at all! And if I saw the guy again I would tell him to "GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE" and why would this asshole feel it is ok to sit around a bunch of kids anyway. 'Cause he is "cured" now and the law does not prohibit this behavior. Bullshit!

If I ever saw the guy again, and he did not leave immediately I can gaurantee it would rapidly progress to physical violence! Once a person violates an innocent person, their community/family and any values they may have had...well it's just like jumping off a cliff...it's over!!!!!!!!!!!!! As well as castration they should sport an obvious tattoo of their sexual identity ie rapist, child molester etc.

So I printed the guys photo, took it to the manager. I explained that it was not appropriate for this POS to be in the gym, that I was concerned for the children and that I felt violated having sat next to this person for half an hour. Carl, the manager, is a great guy. He empathized with me and let me know the guy was gone, reported and possibly violated on his probation.

So if I was to harsh, oh well...it was nice knowing you!

Seriously

chilli-

Dear Chilli -- As a reformed (30+ years clean) "molester", here's my take on this situation. If this fellow was currently on the sex offender list and on probation, then you probably did the right thing. However, the anger that you express is NOT appropriate to the situation. Don't take out your personal frustrations on a stranger, please!

Had I recognized the guy, I would have done the same thing, but then I wouldn't have been in a bath where there were children present anyway.

As for myself, the first thing that I had to learn was stay away from teenage boys. I don't go to bathing beaches, gyms, or teen hangouts. In fact I had a very upsetting experience in Japan a couple of years ago at a Ryokan (Japanese-style hotel). It seems that my visit coincided with a school holiday and the men's bath was filled with naked boys of all ages from 10 up and their fathers. I couldn't get out of there fast enough!

Re: A community health problem of sorts.

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:30 pm
by jemagirl (imported)
I also have some one in my family who had a problem in this area. It was a mistake that he regrets to this day. He served his time in prison and for him this was a single event in his life which he has not repeated. In spite of this he faces much harassment when people discover his picture online. On several occasions people have tried to get him fired and thrown out of his apartment.

I understand your anger but please realize that not all sex offenders come out of the same mold.

Re: A community health problem of sorts.

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:23 pm
by transward (imported)
I saw a segment on a TV newsmagazine about these online predator lists. They make no distinction between someone who kidnaps and forcibly rapes a six year old, and a seventeen year old making out with his sixteen year old girlfriend. The woman that put together one of these sites was interviewed and she defended this. She said that if you have sex with a fifteen year old girl you were a sexual predator, even if you were a fifteen year old boy, and it was appropriate that you pay by being tormented for the rest of your life. The magazine even found men who were listed as sexual predators after being charged with indecent exposure for getting drunk and taking a piss where someone could see them.

I find your actions despicable since you knew nothing beyond the listing. If I am going to destroy someone’s life without bothering to get more information, I am little better than a lynch mob.

Transward

Re: A community health problem of sorts.

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:02 pm
by chilliwilli (imported)
plix (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:20 am I'm sorry, but I don't agree with what you did.

You admit you do not even know what he did. How do you know he is even interested in kids at all? He may have offended against an adult who was well overage, and he may have no sexual interest whatsoever in children. Why should he be forbidden from being around children if he has never thought of them sexually and he would never be interested in doing anything to them?

Or what if he did offend against a child, but it was consensual sex with his 17 year-old girlfriend when he was 18? There have been many such cases where people in this situation have been forced to register as a sex offender for life, all for having consensual sex with a girlfriend who was 17 when they were 18. Are you really suggesting that people who have done this should be alienated from and hated by society for life, and beaten up or stoned to death, all for having consensual sex with a 17 year-old girlfriend when they were 18?

You know nothing about this situation, and you irrationally jumped to conclusions. Ignorance like what you have displayed here is exactly what contributes to most of the darker side of humanity.

Then you go on to say that if you see this guy sitting somewhere minding his own business, not bothering anyone, you will physically attack him?

Supportive and nonjudgemental? BS.

You say that this guy seemed lonely when you saw him. He was probably glad to see you approach him, and he probably thought that maybe he would finally make a friend who could love him for who he is and not judge him for his past. If I came across this guy, I know that I would let him know that I understand that people make mistakes, and that I certainly am in no position to judge him for his. I would offer him friendship and let him know that I respect him for the human person he is, regardless of what he has done.

Attitudes toward these people like yours are exactly why such people do what they do. You want him alienated from society, hated and mistreated by all he meets, and then you wonder why he re-offends. Have you ever thought about what he might do if someone showed him a little bit of compassion?

Plix-

I wrote a complete response but kept getting logged off and have to go for a few days.

The guy turned out to be into kids under 13 yrs. Why he felt it was ok to seek redeemtion in a spa with kids jumping around, got any ideas? And I am no man's redeemtion regardless. He could have worked with seniors, rode his bike, or volunteered to clean dog kennels. That's called redeeming yourself.

My father and mother married when dad was 19 and mum was 15. Today I would be the son of a registered sex offender. I have nothing but empathy for young men victimezed by a predatory "justice" system that labels them sex offenders for life when all they did was have an innocent relation with a girl underage...and I know it happens and it breaks my heart!and makes me resentful of the system in place.

But this dude was older, by his age he was either a rapist or a pedolphile. And I'd rather sit next to an axe murderer! And I feel I have a moral obligation to protect those around me within reason. Why? Because I can! If I had tits I would nurse orphaned babies, but I don't ok!

And yes I have "thought about what he might do if someone (I) gave him more compassion". The guy cast his lot the first time round, now he's a registered sex offender, what more does he have to lose? He would barter my compassion for a seat in the hot tub so he could befriend a single mother, become a sitter and start fucking kids!...end of story no doubt in my mind!

I ask someone to please defend me in my absence. I feel I got cut short...but I really am a nice person...until...well..

chilli-

Re: A community health problem of sorts.

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:13 pm
by plix (imported)
chilliwilli (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:02 pm Plix-

I wrote a complete response but kept getting logged off and have to go for a few days.

The guy turned out to be into kids under 13 yrs. Why he felt it was ok to seek redeemtion in a spa with kids jumping around, got any ideas? And I am no man's redeemtion regardless. He could have worked with seniors, rode his bike, or volunteered to clean dog kennels. That's called redeeming yourself.

My father and mother married when dad was 19 and mum was 15. Today I would be the son of a registered sex offender. I have nothing but empathy for young men victimezed by a predatory "justice" system that labels them sex offenders for life when all they did was have an innocent relation with a girl underage...and I know it happens and it breaks my heart!and makes me resentful of the system in place.

But this dude was older, by his age he was either a rapist or a pedolphile. And I'd rather sit next to an axe murderer! And I feel I have a moral obligation to protect those around me within reason. Why? Because I can! If I had tits I would nurse orphaned babies, but I don't ok!

And yes I have "thought about what he might do if someone (I) gave him more compassion". The guy cast his lot the first time round, now he's a registered sex offender, what more does he have to lose? He would barter my compassion for a seat in the hot tub so he could befriend a single mother, become a sitter and start fucking kids!...end of story no doubt in my mind!

I ask someone to please defend me in my absence. I feel I got cut short...but I really am a nice person...until...well..

chilli-

You know, I've been thinking, and I think you and I are coming more from the same place than we realize.

We each wish to protect the people we feel are most vulnerable. You want to protect the victim, and that is certainly admirable. The crimes that these people commit are terrible and tragic, and no person should ever have to be a victim of this sort of crime.

Ever since I was very young, I have always felt sympathy for people convicted of or accused of crimes. I can't explain it; it's simply the way I've always felt, the same way many feel about the victims of crimes.

To me these people, and especially those convicted of sex crimes, are among the most hated people in the world, and I've always felt it necessary to reach out to those who are hated by society, those who have been discarded with no chance of redemption. I believe that no matter what anyone has done, we are all human, and we all make mistakes. Certainly some mistakes may seem more grievous than others, but to me mistakes are mistakes, and I don't belive that even the most serious of them all causes one to lose his humanity. To me, humanity is something inborn to all human beings and something that cannot be lost.

I believe that the nature of mistakes means that people can learn from them, and they can regret them. I also do not believe that making a mistake means they are sure to make the same one in the future, or that it should be assumed they will repeat that mistake. I am a strong believer in second chances, and even more than that if need be.

You are a protector of the victims; I am a protector of the perpetrators. Society needs both, and I am thankful for both sides.

We both want to protect the group of people we feel need protection, and by that I think we are actually quite similar and after the same thing here.

And I do admit I may have been a bit harsh in my previous post. But I think both of us were pretty harsh here (you in your actions toward the guy, me in my words toward you), and I think we will both become that way when it comes to defending the ones we wish to protect.