Here we go again. (red clover)

[hungrycat (imported)]

Yeh I know what you might say and I'm sure many will say dont waste your money but it does seem for some people this can have an effect.

I did see an initial fat distribution to my bum legs and hips (alittle to my tummy as well) and then nothing much else for 3 weeks. Over the last week I find that I have started to grow little breasts that seem to be getting fuller in the chest. I'm not sure how this will continue but I will keep you informed.

In addition to these changes I have few erections and dont realy have an interest in sex much.

Has anyone else tried this metthod ?

[bobbie (imported)]

I have never heard of red clover used in this manner. Even with medical castration drugs and or female drugs will you see much if any change in 3 weeks. Physical changes take time to happen. It is not an over night thing. At TS woman can spend months/years growing her breasts. Diets do not have much change in body fat in three weeks. If red clover did make that kind of changes it would be very well known.

Think you are having wishful thinking right now. Sorry

[kennath7 (imported)]

From the quick research red clover dose have chemical properties as estrogen

At bottom of page is web address

The herb is classified in technical terms as Trifolium Pratense, which is a species of Clover believed to be native to certain regions of Europe, Asia and Africa. Though the plant varies in size, it is said to be characterized as having three leaflets and a dark pink flower. It is believed to have been used for a number of holistic purposes throughout the world.

As indicated by the manufacturer, the plant seems to have a high concentration of phytoestrogens. These are chemicals found in certain plant species that are said to act like estrogen, which is found in our body. Its most widely recognized use seems to be to fight symptoms of menopause; according to the website, pregnant and nursing women are discouraged from taking this supplement.

[kennath7 (imported)]

http://www.weknowdiets.com/RedClover.ht ... red+clover

[hungrycat (imported)]

I have been taking it for about two months now without any side effects with a period of no effect for about 3 weeks. I think it will take time but am pleased so far.

[dgeunuch (imported)]

Oh yeah, red clover blossoms is one of the highest concentrations of phytoestrogens. I like it, but can make you feel a little queasy in higher concentrations. I've had some good benefits but nothing magical yet. However, I had put to side for several months and am trying it again this week, along with Flax.

[ramses (imported)]

You don't want your prize stud bull to graze all spring on red clover or you may end up with few calves next year!

[Tclosetgirl (imported)]

I tried red clover for a while, I have heard it can be hard on the liver also so please be careful.

I take flaxseed as well and I do believe it HELPS - have read that it distributes estrogen and since I'm on 4mg a day of estrogen it does seem to distribute!

But I would not get too anxious, it may grow you some small breasts, like really small nubes tho!

I'm at a 40B right now on estrogen but not a T blocker.

[artisticlicense (imported)]

You don't want your prize stud bull to graze all spring on red clover or you may end up with few calves next year!

Male animals do become infertile after extended forage on red clover. Farmers around my ‘neck of the woods’ graze it because it is so high in protein and it’s very nutritional.

What’s true in animals is usually true for people.

When poundage counts at market, it's invaluable, and a few weeks don't do permanent damage. It only grows in cool temps. It isn't heat tolerant. White clover is common around here as pasture forage. Crimson is used for roadside color and erosion control, and slowly gaining popularity as forage. I don’t know anyone that grows red clover.

I started using Crimson Clover Tincture [Trifolium incarnatum] for skin problems a long time ago, topically, with great results. Later I learned people eat it.

Seeing this post, I had no idea people were using it as an estrogen stocker, or boob-builder. I know women used it as menopausal support. Guess I need to go back to school. I have never known it to be hard on the liver. In fact, it is, or has always been refuted as a liver cleanse in traditional folk medicine. This does not mean you should eat a ton of it. Everything in moderation.

I have been eating Crimson clover florets in salads, every spring for over 20 years. They taste like cucumbers, and make colorful salads. Spring treats.

I have never worried about becoming infertile or growing breasts. I don’t have breasts, or big hips. If guys want to re-distribute fat, they should use Soy Lecithin.

The typical “Red” clover herbal preparations sold, is from the Trifolium pratense variety, which has pink flowers and lighter colored leaves than Crimson & White Clover. It’s more stable as a cover crop (field propagation).

[artisticlicense (imported)]

Oh, and another note; if guys are to use Red Clover herbal preparations, know that they most likely WILL be from field propagation on a commercial farm. Which may mean pesticides and fertilizers.

I don't ingest many purchased herbals, because I don't trust them to be pure or chemical free. And, I'm not big on commercial farming. The USDA allows too much liberalism in defining food-grade substances. I do however eat what I find or grow myself, fresh harvested.

If you must purchase prepared goods; buy several of the same lot number, so you can count on the doses being the same every time you use it.