I have just returned from the Sunday morning Scheduled Chat. Not much of a turn out. Sigh. But one of the guys set me thinking. As a general rule, eunuchs come in two varieties, elective and non-elective. The guy asked me why I wanted to remove my testicles. I've had this question asked before, of course. And it seemed he was more interested in the procedure rather then in the effects. And after all The Eunuch Archives is a part of BME.

So I am wondering if there are some who want to be castrated to remove the testicles, accepting the results. In my case, I wanted to remove the effects of testosterone from my body, and castration was the easiest way to do it. See the difference I am getting at? Just something to think about.

i gather what you are saying is that some guys are primarily interesting in the act of getting castrated and then have to accept the results whereas there are others that what to have the results that castration produce. i basicly agree with what you are driving at. i have some difficulty of understanding why guys voluntarily become castrated and then take testosterone for maintaince of male libido. best way to maintain that if desired is to keep your functioning balls. some guys become eunuchs non voluntarily due to various reasons - then i can understand trt.

This is my first post so first of all thankyou all for this site. At the very least it has assured me that even though I must be strange in wanting castration at least I'm not the only one!

I think for me the removal of the testes and the consequent empty sac is the main motivation. Then inevitable effects of no testosterone then come second. As I'm getting more and more into the idea the effects of no testosterone seem more and more attractive. As this will effect me most post castration my feelings on this will have the greatest bearing on my decision to actually become a eunuch. I'm sure this group will help.

soapy (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2002 10:09 am This is my first post so first of all thankyou all for this site. At the very least it has assured me that even though I must be strange in wanting castration at least I'm not the only one!

I think for me the removal of the testes and the consequent empty sac is the main motivation. Then inevitable effects of no testosterone then come second. As I'm getting more and more into the idea the effects of no testosterone seem more and more attractive. As this will effect me most post castration my feelings on this will have the greatest bearing on my decision to actually become a eunuch. I'm sure this group will help.

In that case, I would strongly suggest that you go to...

http://www.geocities.com/sherrylanina/Castration.html

This is the page that my friend Sherry Collins has put up regarding her castration, and as a guide to those thinking about this operation. It is probably the best resource on the web now that Jeff Adams is no longer active. Click on "The Effects Of Castration". Read it carefully. Even better, print it out so you can re-read it often. After that, feel free to ask us eunuchs any questions you may have on the after effects. And there WILL be after effects. Always remember that this is an irreversable step. Do not hope that TRT will make up for it. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

soapy (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2002 10:09 am This is my first post so first of all thankyou all for this site. At the very least it has assured me that even though I must be strange in wanting castration at least I'm not the only one!

I think

that everyone must think this very same thing. You are certainly not the first to state this feeling, and I had the exact same reactions some years ago when I discovered EA. Welcome to the zoo.

:p

Greetings, Andrew. Your posts and questions are always very useful and thought provoking.

I had myself castrated for several reasons:

1) To halt my body's production of those hideous androgens. Androgens, testosterone especially, do no good, but cause people to end up looking like men and wanting to play with their ugly weenies. It causes hair to grow all over your body, lowers your voice, thins your scalp hair, makes your veins stick out, distributes fat in the wrong places, prevents breast development, make people act like jerks...

I can go on and on.

2) It is a symbol of manhood. I am not a man. Those nasty things just take up space at the most inconvenient place. Getting them cut off makes clothes fit better, BTW.

3) I became a eunuch prior to sex reassignment surgery so that I could experience life as a eunuch. You can't do so after surgery, so there was my chance. I took it, spent part of my life as a eunuch, and can relate to my friends here. Now I'm just a woman. But have lived previously as a male and as a eunuch. I got a chance to see life and sexuality in three diferent formats.

Life is good!

Much love,

Kelly

inphx (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2002 9:58 am i gather what you are saying is that some guys are primarily interesting in the act of getting castrated and then have to accept the results whereas there are others that what to have the results that castration produce. i basicly agree with what you are driving at. i have some difficulty of understanding why guys voluntarily become castrated and then take testosterone for maintaince of male libido. best way to maintain that if desired is to keep your functioning balls. some guys become eunuchs non voluntarily due to various reasons - then i can understand trt.

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I too have trouble completely understanding anyone voluntarily wanting to give up natural production of testosterone. However, having a low sex drive for several years as a result of taking medication for depression taught me that life without sexual intimacy can offer rich rewards--not always the ones that I most want.

This partly is why I enjoy the fantasy of having an intense sex drive combined with no penis (and sometimes, more importantly)no prostate gland. It has to do, of course, with childhood fears of castration.

As the same time, I very much interested in reading the effects of lower testosterone on us. This helpful information.

I am also intrigued by all the feeling we experience as we read the fantasies posted on this board.

These are in relation to a variety of posts in this thread and are not necessarily related to one another past that

Andrew (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2002 9:33 am And after all The Eunuch Archives is a part of BME.

For the record:

Even though we are graciously hosted by BME and are proud to be associated with them for all they do for the community, BME has never had any editorial input or control over the look or content of the Archive.

kelly_2:

I am intrigued with your picture ... when did you 'come out' as a transsexual? You look female in that picture ... I would really love to hear your experiences growing up 'male', especially in regards to your sexual experiences and your feelings about your genitalia.

I know many transsexuals are sensitive about this, but I personally would be interested in seeing some pictures of you before the transition as a boy/teenager because I personally am fascinated with that transition (appearance) as much as with the changing genitals.

Bboy

Andrew (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2002 9:33 am So I am wondering if there are some who want to be castrated to remove the testicles, accepting the results. In my case, I wanted to remove the effects of testosterone from my body, and castration was the easiest way to do it. See the difference I am getting at? Just something to think about.

I take it you are asking if some seek castration for the purpose of going through the procedure, as opposed to seeking castration for the aftereffects.

To tell you the truth, I did not look forward to the procedure itself at all, and only wanted the aftereffects. Indeed, I I worried about things such as, would Spector's anesthetics be effective, would it hurt too much, was Spector too old to do this, and what if something went terribly wrong and I needed emergency treatment? On the day before my appointment, it was all I could do to pretend to be just another Philadelphia tourist and try to keep my mind off of what I was going to go through tomorrow. I had never had any type of surgery before, and the worst I had ever endured was getting my wisdom teeth pulled in 1997. The truth is, the castration procedure scared me, and I saw it as something I had to get through in order to obtain the benefits of castration.

What I really wanted was pretty much what Kelly wanted; that is, to stop testosterone production and make sure my body never became any more masculine. More immediately, I wanted to get rid of that male sex drive.

As it turned out, the procedure was not that bad, the anesthetics did work, and I had no complications, but I was so relieved when my surgery was finished. Then I waited for the effects of castration to take effect. I did not have to wait long. Even before I left Philadelphia, I started to feel a lot lighter and more calm all of the time. Except for occasional nocturnal erections, my male sex drive was almost entirely eliminated, good riddance

Last November I ended my experience as a eunuch when I started taking 1mg Estrace daily. I have not had any nocturnal erections for a few months, so I think and hope that the estrogen put out the last of the male sex drive. Curiously, I have had a few orgasms in my sleep during which I had no erection.

I often see in the eunuch newsgroup, as well as in some of my E-Mails, men asking me about castration while stating that they wish things such as feeling the pain, having a woman do it, or some other scene. While men who have such desires do not offend or me at all, I do have to worry if they are really going to be happy after the scene is finished and the aftereffects arrive. When someone expresses these desires, I do not give them the red light, but I do give the yellow light. The desire to go through the surgery procedure does not mean one should not be castrated; it does mean they should be very cautious, think about this a lot, and seriously consider what it will be like after the procedure.

Sherry Joanne Collins

Sexless (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2002 3:56 pm [

I too have trouble completely understanding anyone voluntarily wanting to give up natural production of testosterone. However, having a low sex drive for several years as a result of taking medication for depression taught me that life without sexual intimacy can offer rich rewards--not always the ones that I most want.

And right here we come to the dividing line, between thos

Andrew (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2002 9:33 am e who want to be castrated to remove the testicles,and those who want to be castrated to remove the test

osterone.

I simply had an excessive libido problem. Before I made the final decision, I had several long talks with Jeff Adams, Dr. Spector's eunuch assisstent. Jeff also had this operation for libido control. We discussed the advantages and disadvatages of chemical castration vs. surgical castration. In the end I had no qualms about signing the consent form. And as of today I have NO regrets.