Calbre.TS (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:56 am So the inguinal swelling is normal? I was worried about it because no one else on this thread has reported it, to my knowledge. I'm an hour short of eighty-four hours, so it has been about three and a half days since the injections. Should I call them and asks if they found actual infection in their bloodtests? Thanks for responding, SplitDik! Very helpful information!

I would ask for the test results.

jcat (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:55 pm I would ask for the test results.

Will do, thanks! I'll post the information about the results here if they will release it to me.

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:40 am You are expected to get significant swelling for 3 to 5 days after the injection. It is not infection but just the lymphomatic response to internal damage -- same reason you

jcat (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:48 pm get a lump on your head if you hit it hard.

Interesting SplitDik, as always loads of information. I have never had any swelling other than in the testes/cord/epidymal area.

Just goes to show how much we all vary on this journey!

The major swelling of the abdomen occurs only at the first injection to healthy testes! If more injections done at later times, the swelling of the abdomen is much less prominent OR no swelling occurs, because testes are damaged now and body responds differently.

GenChick (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:33 pm The major swelling of the abdomen occurs only at the first injection to healthy testes! If more injections done at later times, the swelling of the abdomen is much less prominent OR no swelling occurs, because testes are damaged now and body responds differently.

I didn't know that! Thanks! I guess I have nothing to worry about.

It's been some months since I last read this thread, so I missed GenChick's first post about a diurnal rhythm in injected testis size. Mine (injected March 2013) have behaved like GenChick's through most of 2013 and all of 2014. They are smallest around 05-0700h after 6-8hour's sleep, and varicoceles on both sides are smallest then also. The varicoceles and the testes are largest in the evening time after a day's activity. I would expect this hydrostatic change because of the obstruction to venous drainage which caused the varicoceles (a straddle fall when I was 14yo to my left T, and attempts to ligate my cords from 2010 to 2011). The scrotal muscles respond to temperature, so my sac is bunched most of the time in cool/cold conditions, to a far greater extent than it ever was when I was 'intact', and it is only relaxed when I am really warm/hot.

On a separate but topical issue, I have been wondering whether I have been experiencing a slight recovery in my testes, as the sensitive spots are becoming more sensitive. I might risk a reinjection in a month or two's time, maybe on the second anniversary.

I had an inguinal hernia repaired in 2002, it was painless before it was corrected, but like the varicoceles was very position sensitive...the swelling disappeared when I lay down, and was biggest after a day's standing activity.

Most of the stomach pain is gone now (it has been five days), but now I feel burning in the testicles. Is this normal?

The burning seems to be up in the inguinal region as well. Is this anything for me to worry about? Also, how long until the swelling starts going down? Thanks!

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ZeuterMe (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:54 pm The latest animal research shows that CaCl castrations can heal. (

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castrate82 (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:36 pm sterone level in all well-tolerated doses.

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to keep up after all!

magickitty and ZeuterMe,

Weighing in, an observer from the animal sterilization world.

It looks like you only saw the dose-optimizing study on saline, not the one comparing saline, lidocaine, and alcohol and determining that calcium chloride in alcohol is the permanent combination. It’s easy to miss the second paper, since they were published in the same journal and one might assume at first glance at the link that they were the same thing.

There is a richness of data on the animal side now, including a document “Ingredients & Technique” written for rural farms and vets doing animal sterilization in ultra-low-resource settings that don’t have access to reliable compounding pharmacies, that is of obvious relevance to anyone choosing to alter their health/testicular/gender status and not wishi

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2 , which compares formulations and shows the alcohol formulation permanent, versus the saline and l

castrate82 (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:36 pm idocaine formulations rebounding in some dogs.

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magickitty (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:27 pm http://www.actavetscand.com/content/56/1/63

) is only a lead-up to the one comparing formulations.

For anyone who, in hindsight, finds the testosterone reduction they got affecting their health and wellbeing more than they bargained for (with mood, energy, or weight issues) and used saline or lidocaine as a base, the findings about possible rebound with saline and lidocaine formulations may be a saving grace for them, a fortunate chance to regain moderate rather than complete testosterone reduction; but for anyone absolutely convinced they want permanence and complete reduction, using saline or lidocaine may result in more swelling while not permanently achieving the desired result.

There is a lot of refining that has been done in animal and farm use, leading up to those two publications (and a BioMed Central blog about them) and coverage in the Wall Street Journal in November. A search for “calcium chloride sterilization” will quickly turn up links to the new data.

There's definitely an increase in my T levels. It's been a year. Exactly one year, plus or minus a few days.

Increase in acne (I'm 22). Sex Drive. Oily skin. Morning wood.

I know these indicators well from being trans and going off estrogen/ anti-androgens for a few months once.

100% sure of increase. Take this as a warning. My T levels DID plummit to virtually NOTHING. Very effective.

However, you may have to do repeated injections in your life if they start to "bounce back." And if you know the pain it takes to get through an injection and swelling, you know this doesn't sound too pleasant.

I am very depressed!

Just came home from hospital. Only one (left) testicle was removed , I guess they did not find a tumor in it and after all my pain complains, left right one untouched.

I will visit urologist in February and see what are the findings.

I have no idea what to do now? Calcium Chloride or alcohol injections… Not very happy about injecting myself again!

GenChick (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:51 am I am very depressed!

Just came home from hospital. Only one (left) testicle was removed , I guess they did not find a tumor in it and after all my pain complains, left right one untouched.

I will visit urologist in February and see what are the findings.

I have no idea what to do now? Calcium Chloride or alcohol injections… Not very happy about injecting myself again!

Look at it as progress. You are half way to where you want to be.