Not a joke, but a modern dialup modem such as the little USB ones from USRobotics give slow but usable access for browsing, email, mostthings except big downloads. They're cheap and the service is a local phone call almost anywhere. I use PeoplePC as my provider.

Of course there is better tech that should be workable, but US is not best when it comes to high speed access. Sometimes it's good to have a reliable steam locomotive rather than none. The little USR modem always goes with me when I travel.

It's good that Nellie likes Hawwai, What happened to Rupert, You need something to fill that lap. Have you got the bike out? Are you getting exercize?

How has your diet changed? I understand that spam is a popular protien source. Are you living in an appartment or did you get some real estate? I guess the Grass shacks are out of fashion, except Colorado and that's a different kind of grass. Noticed any lost 777's? Has your son threatened mutiny?

Take care, If you can't be good, don't get caught.

Uncle Flo (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:20 am FYI: internet by satellite is very expensive and much slower than even cell phone access. --FLO--

I with we had fhunter around to tech speak at us.

I do believe the above information is dated or regional.

Satellite Internet is not an available option in urban areas where other options exist, but I know two rural locales that use satellite and it is high speed ala cable. Dish type TV carriers offer it.

River et al are renting now and will purchase their own property is my understanding. Both are off the grid, and a dish can be moved.

The problem remaining is, off the grid electricity to power satellite internet.

Moi

moi621 (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:31 am I with we had fhunter around to tech speak at us.

I do believe the above information is dated or regional.

Satellite Internet is not an available option in urban areas where other options exist, but I know two rural locales that use satellite and it is high speed ala cable. Dish type TV carriers offer it.

River et al are renting now and will purchase their own property is my understanding. Both are off the grid, and a dish can be moved.

The problem remaining is, off the grid electricity to power satellite internet.

Moi

I am on extended vacation from posting to EA.

There are different kinds of satellite internet. It is pricey, but, if there are no other alternatives, not outrageously so (about 500$ for equipment) +

from 20$ to 500$/month, depending on the traffic usage. This is on approximately DSL speeds (they claim 6/1 mbit downlink/uplink).

The numbers I googled from one of the russian companies.

This is for two way satellite internet.

There is also one way solution (uplink via cell phone/landline/anything, downlink via satellite), this one is cheaper, but can have higher latency.

In any case, with satellite it is not the speed that suffers, it is the latency.

http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/r ... tency.html - this article, even as it is old, sums it up nicely.

Average round trip time (RTT) for ethernet connection for hosts in provider's network in my case is under 1 millisecond (about 14 ms to google). Mobile internet raises that time to about 100 - 300 ms (and in case of bad reception even higher, I've seen up to 3 seconds of round trip time and even more (it is not internet, it is suffering :-p)).

In case of satellite internet, you can not get lower than 250-270ms, that is RTT from geostationary orbit. Factor in the other latencies, and well.. it can go up to the same 500ms or more as the cell in bad reception (but at higher speed). There is also Iridium, they are low orbit, so have good latency, but low bandwidth (64kbit/s, like a phone line modem), and as far as I remember, not cheap.

Now for examples - latency above 50ms makes playing online games unpleasant, about 100ms... forget it, you will be dead meat.

Above 250ms-300ms, and your VOIP application will feel be really bad (multiple echoes + dropping out sound fragments, that sounds awful).

At about the same latency, you can not properly work with remote desktop apps (same effect, you start making bad mistakes in typing and all).

Above 500ms-1s and you can forget about any interactive applications. Forget about using webmail of the modern kind or any interactive sites actively using ajax.

The services requiring only bulk data would work.

Electricity is not much of a problem. If you have stable winds - wind turbine made from 200 liters drum + car alternator will give you enough power for you notebook .

I use the local library for my internet its free. I think I have decided where I want to live on this great island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, Seaview it over looks the ocean (there is only one). I will rent a cheep place while I clear the land and and build my own hut.

Aloha

River

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:30 pm I use the local library for my internet its free. I think I have decided where I want to live on this great island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, Seaview it over looks the ocean (there is only one). I will rent a cheep place while I clear the land and and build my own hut.

Aloha

River

Build on high ground OUT of the way of Lava runs... A cave might be nice during a Typhoon...

Avoid air travel.

>>I found this interesting. There's a video of the fish doing it too.

>>PArrotfish are those really colorful fish that everyone wants for fishtanks and Disney made into a movie.

>>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/2 ... _ref=green

There are seven quintillion, five hundred quadrillion grains of sand in the world, according to math geniuses at the University of Hawaii. That’s more sand granules in Earth’s seas, lakes, and deserts than there are stars in the universe.

Where does it all come from? In Hawaii, where beaches are constantly ranked the best in the world, a significant portion of that pristine, white, beautiful sand is actually poop.

Yep, poop.

Parrotfishes, or uhu in Hawaiian, are key players in regulating algae and reef life. Their parrot-like beaks and fused-together teeth are used for scraping and biting dead coral, while additional teeth in their throats help to break it all down into sand. Snorkelers can actually hear them chomping or see the bite marks they leave on rocks.

Because parrotfishes don’t have stomachs, their meals pass straight through the long intestine, exploding in a cloud of sand out the backdoor. Larger parrotfish are like sand factories, producing as much as 840 pounds of sand per year. For Oahu’s snorkeling hot spot, Hanauma Bay (where a few hundred parrotfish graze), that means hundreds of tons of fish-made sand per year.

Worms, sponges, and oysters also produce Pacific ocean sand, but no animal is as proficient as the parrotfish, a badge of honor it has held for centuries. According to the Maui Ocean Center, the native Hawaiian name for the female redlip parrotfish translates to “loose bowels.”

We can see why:

Ah yes, walking on the beach on a warm summer day, the fish poop warm and soft beneath my bare feet. --FLO--

george2u2 (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:59 am It's good that Nellie likes Hawwai, What happened to Rupert, You need something to fill that lap. Have you got the bike out? Are you getting exercize?

How has your diet changed? I understand that spam is a popular protien source. Are you living in an appartment or did you get some real estate? I guess the Grass shacks are out of fashion, except Colorado and that's a different kind of grass. Noticed any lost 777's? Has your son threatened mutiny?

Take care, If you can't be good, don't get caught.

Nelly loves Hawaii, Rupert is still at talula's. My diet has changed more Spam, it comes in several kinds, I have lost about 25lbs I no longer need a mirror. Yes my son is over Hawaii and will be moving back to northern Calif. Me I love it here, my feet don't hurt as much I ware sandles only loosing weight, now if I can find some place to live life will be grand.

River