nullorchis (imported) wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:51 am Then again, I have seen posts in this thread that, to me, because I have performed EATI, seem not plausable or likely.

Just because someone says they did this, or that, and it worked, it could be a baited trap Clip... doe

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:10 am s not mean it is true. End user, beware!

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Telling you all that this could be dangerous seems to fall on deaf ears.

There are castration drugs that you can get from your doctor to reduce the T, it has an added benefit that your doctor can monitor your condition.

Self induced castration is just not smart, you might be successful but its not smart, you are playing with your life.

Having said that I also know all to well the enter need to be castrated. I know, I tried to do it myself, I failed and was lucky that I did not kill myself in the process.

Do this the

right way, with your doctor.

Good luck to you all,

River

How true River and nullorchis there are tall tails thoughout many of the threads on this broad, I call them Fantasy posting or better JOCK OFF posting. As after you have become castrated or become hypogonadism from testicle abuse/play (banding injections, etc), unless you take HTR you will not have any interest in any type of sexual activity at all.

Many have the drive to become eunuch and will not look at safety etc. do to there drive and only afterward if they don't die will they say don't do what I did.

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Riverwind (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:10 am Do this the right way, with your doctor.

For some of us though this is a blind alley.

I'm a MtF and doctors here in WY don't understand us just yet so they refuse to prescribe a thing. They're to afraid of being sued.

I've been living

raynestorm (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:17 pm as a woman for 2 years now and

can get letters if they would help, but they don't.

Can I get them on the internet, yes - is THAT really safe? No. Without a doctor to recommend dosage and monitor you, you're still playing with your life via liver and/or kidney failure.

I could have them surgerically removed - if I could get someone to return my calls. This procedure can be done by any qualified urologist, but again, people are so afraid of being sued that they don't want to help. The ones willing to help are:

Marci Bowers - now in San Mateo, CA.

Christine McGinn - around Philly, PA.

Thailand

Dr. Reed in Miami. Location, location, location. This guy was smart enough to set up a TG clinic in SOUTH BEACH! It's akin to building a gas station on top of an oil well.

Dr. Metzger in Arizona.

Marci and Christine need to be ashamed of themselves, by the way. They're TG and instead of making it easier on those of us that still are, they have the highest rates in the country. Way to gouge your fellow TG's, girls. Stay classy.

While the rest are better with regard to price, it's still more than most of us can afford.

Drugs - IF you can get them - are not permenant.

In my case as a MtF, the body part in question isn't just harming from the inside, it's from the outside too. Just seeing them dangling there daily is enough to cause more mental trauma than I can describe.

But here's the kicker....as hard as it is for me, it's harder for the MtE (Male to Eunuch). The mental health community accepts - albeit begrudginly - us MtF's but they can't understand why a man would want his testicles gone for any other reason.

"What do you mean you just want them gone?!"

So, due to lack of help from the outside we're left to our own devices.

All of which carries with it risk.

Banding - the amount of time needed to cut off circulation and kill the testicles will also cause gangrene.

Burizzo - the cords needed to be crushed are more elastic in humans than in cattle, hence it probably wont work AND you could cause a hemmorage then die of internal bleeding.

Cutting - The viens in that part of the body are not like normal viens that will clamp down and help blood clot. These wont. You could bleed out very quickly, even if you use a turniquet.

Alcohol injections. Dangerous? Yes. But among the options discussed so far it's the safest. Very little, if any blood, so long as you don't hit a vien. Pain? Very little as long as you've allowed for swelling to go down between injections. Price? Dirt cheap. I've got my needles and everclear for $35. Permenant? Yes but it takes a while. Some are done in as little as 5 injections each and others take longer.

As dangerous as it is, it's still the safest option for those whose only help from the medical community comes at a cost of to much money or can't find a doctor willing to help at all.

Someone after you said that many will add, "Don't do what I did". Some may. I simply tell others that if they're going to use alcohol injections, please do your homework. Learn all you can about what you're doing, why it works, and what could go wrong. Take things slowly. I can't tell others not to do it because that would be hypocritical of me. I've done 3 sets of injections now and the sexual urges are going away. I'm going to keep doing them until the testicles are small, round and hard. I know it's a risk but I feel great.

Why?

Because I'm DOING SOMETHING about my problem. No one else wants to help me - or wants me to pay through the nose for it - and this is something I'm doing to alleviate the anxiety.

Many here have said that these injections are addticive. They are. It's not from a 'high' that you get. It's from having a problem that overwhelms you for so long - causes you so much grief that it's destroying your life - and now you get to take steps to bring relief. After each injection there is some swelling and pain.

But there is also a sense of relief....your sex drive has lowered and you know that with each subsequent injection it's only going to get better.

Is there a risk, of course. But I accept that risk because I know that the outcome is that my testicles will be dead, my sex drive lowered if not gone all together, that part of my body will be smaller - which will make me as a MtF feel better about myself - I'll be more loving and devoted toward my wife, I'll be calmer and more focused. I can feel that after each injection.

Could I die? Yes, but the risk of that is minimal given where we're injecting. But even so, I'd rather die than live with these male traits any longer.

And truth be told, if I hadn't stumbled across the alcohol injection method, I would have tried banding with two turniquets, then cutting between them.

These injections probably saved my life.

raynestorm (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:04 pm Could I die? Yes, but the risk of that is minimal given where we're injecting. But even so, I'd rather die than live with these male traits any longer.

And truth be told, if I hadn't stumbled across the alcohol injection method, I would have tried banding with two turniquets, then cutting between them.

These injections probably saved my life.

Kinda how I felt but I was closer to doing the burdizzo than banding/slashing

Percutaneous ethanol injection accomplished for me what a year of spironolactone and another year of Cyproterone/Androcur/Siterone did not. It relieved me of my libido while going through therapy to obtain letters of referral for surgery. Psychologist/Ph.D. letter arrives this week, psychiatrist/M.D. arrives next week, then I'm scheduling with Dr. Reed. Finally, these things that have caused so much trouble in my life will be gone.

Caith721 (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:50 pm Percutaneous ethanol injection accomplished for me what a year of spironolactone and another year of Cyproterone/Androcur/Siterone did not. It relieved me of my libido while going through therapy to obtain letters of referral for surgery. Psychologist/Ph.D. letter arrives this week, psychiatrist/M.D. arrives next week, then I'm scheduling with Dr. Reed. Finally, these things that have caused so much trouble in my life will be gone.

Like others, alcohol injection seems to have worked for me after 5 injections over two months. The inexplicable craving to eliminate sexual thoughts and activity was the driving force that made me do something my logical brain said was perverse and dangerous.

My intense obsession to be castrated I was afraid would push me to the limit and at some point I might actually attempt self castration; every other method seemed "safe" in comparison to that.

I no longer crave castration, nor does my every day revolve around sexual thoughts or sexual frustrations. This is still a work in progress. While your testosterone may suddenly decrease or be eliminated, and there are some relative quick benefits, this is still going to be a work in progress, adapting to a major changes to my emotional, physical and mental evolution.

Actual castration I can now take or leave. The obsession is gone. I breathe a sign of relief. I can now focus on interacting with other people and living for the future. As always, I do not suggest or recommend that anyone inject alcohol into their testes. Just because I may be a success story, I feel I just got lucky. I was desperate, driven, obsessed. Every time I think of how I felt before now, I know I never want to experience that again. Anyone who wants to experiment with eliminating their sex drive should seek medical care, but in lieu of that, take the risk of using Siterone or something like it. You can not know what it is like to be without sexuality until you actually experience a drug induced version of it. After 3-6 months of a trial run you should then know if permanent testosterone reduction/elimination is for you.

Dear All,

Sunday Feb 27th 3am, I finally put my 5th injection only on the left one. Same procedure as the last one on the right.

I went in with the needle, injected and withdraw the needle very slowly.

However the pain was very intense right after withdrawing the needle, again

desperateTS (imported) wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:27 am , I almost fainted due to the pain. It took me some 4 min to recover from the darken vision. I tried with all my might to remain conscious as I had not the energy to go to the bed to lay down and did not want to fall in the cold bad room. The intense pain subsided after some 7 min.

Something very weird has happened. For the last 6 days, I`m getting hard-ons again. I have a hard time to explain it.

My libido was almost null right after the first injection. The 1st thru the 3th were almost weekly. The 4th was after about a 12 days. The 5th on right after 14 days and on the left after 25 days.

I`m still using estrogen patches same as before. It is very strange. My testes are not too small but I like to think that is mostly skin together with the hard balls that formed due to the alcohol injections.

However I still get easily cold may be not as much as I was for 4 weeks, may be because I am getting use to feel so cold easily or ....

Could it be that somehow my body is getting some testosterone from somewhere else besides my testes, or that they are regenerating or whatever is left of them is becoming more efficient in producing testosterone.

I was a bit depressed, so much pain so much troubles and testosterone seems to be climbing back in my body?

I had headaches a few days also. Could be of the frustration of seeing and feeling my dick hard, kind of a bitter sweet feeling of "well I guess my male parts are tough and efficient" and at the same time feeling very frustrated and angry that it means my reaching femininity will be harder than what I had already thought. I was pretty happy of the freeing myself of the testosterone w/o having to take testosterone blockers.

aw.. I feel like crying now... and I can still feel some pain on the left one from the last injection (sob)

With love to all,

<3

I would assume if they're hardened and painful to inject that it's time to leave them be and eventually let a doc discover them, least that's what my intentions are

KimiRhoze (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:09 pm I would assume if they're hardened and painful to inject that it's time to leave them be and eventually let a doc discover them, least that's what my intentions are

Same here.

I'm not at that point yet...but hope to get there.

My first injection a month ago went swimmingly. 1.5 cc's into each one. The next week I was feeling fine so I tried injecting early but couldn't get much in - about .5 cc's into each one. I guess I was still tender from the week before. So I waited two weeks - which was this past Saturday. I could barely get any in at all - still to tender - so I'll try again this Sat.

On my first round I didn't feel hardly anything until they started to get full.

I'm listening to my body on this. If they're sore, it's for a reason so I'm not injecting again until they're ok. I mean, there's no rush...right?

I just want to get to the point where they're small and hard - then I'll stop.

On the upside my sex drive is way down and I'm much, much calmer.

T test results back. T level is 46. That coincides with how I feel - desexualized. Now I guess it is just wait and see what happens next.

Although castration had been my primary goal since my teens, this is the next best thing. Having reached partial victory I'm not quite sure what comes next. I am no longer craving castration. What now? I won't have much more to contribute to this thread I guess, unless something changes. EATI seems to have worked for me. I still recommend others do not try it. I consider myself lucky that no serious negative consequences happened. I had good luck and it did not run out. Just because it worked for me is no reason to assume, even hope, that it will work for you. Not much else to say anymore about this. No going back now. Assuming my T level remains this low after 90 days I would then conclude that it is permanent. Then will start to add some artificial T back into my system to try and avoid permanent negative effects of too little T, but not add too much as I do not want to return to the sexual effects of T. But I guess those experiments will have to be posted on a different thread.

Congrats on the low level Mission accomplished