Paolo wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 7:31 am A reminder, once again, if you're going to try the herbal/supplement route, make sure you get them from a reputable vendor.

Some years ago, a large big-box store chain got in trouble for selling herbals that were mainly sawdust, and not what the bottle claimed it was!

I think the brand was Spring Valley, and the company initials are W.M.

Also, getting the "good stuff" will prevent the problem of having to take bucket-fulls of pills for them to work.

THANK YOU for posting this. I love how you look out for the users here.

While I still have my testicles, I am functionally a Eunuch (T barely above normal for a female), and on TRT to prevent the horrible symptoms I had during 6-8 months with very low T . I do NOT consider myself "a man," and would really like to move away from masculinity. But, I really want to maintain my mental clarity and energy, which are 100% essential to my work.

Thanks, Paolo, for keeping me grounded.

spookibus (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 04, 2022 4:40 am Question for Stevenator and MalaKita: When you were using PM, was it the ONLY thing you were using? What was your program? I can't go full TS/Femme for lots of reasons, but I am not "manly" and would LOVE to be small without the side effects I had from low T.

I used PM from Ainterol. I also took Red Reishi with him. I am a man, but with a feminized body. That's how I was born. Narrow shoulders, wider hips, weak muscles, gynecomastia. I have little or no body hair. I have had gynecomastia for over 20 years and my breasts are more feminine. But the size wasn’t even a full A cup. I wanted to be a man with muscles, plates on my belly, to be hairier, with male breasts. I went to the gym, but to no avail. Only the penis was above average with almost 8 inches. But nature was relentless. After I got over covid, exactly two years ago, in the first wave, the situation got worse. 6 months after the illness, overnight, the gynecomastia flared up, and a year ago I noticed that my penis was shrinking. It has decreased by 1.7 inches. On reddit, I found a few more similar cases, that after getting over covid there was a reduction in the genitals. I was extracting hormones, but they were normal, except for estradiol, which was lower than average. Um, interesting ... Actually, FSH and prolactin were normal, but in the upper limit.

As a teenager I dreamed of having breasts, and as a child I wanted to have a very small penis. After all that, my brain started thinking differently. And now I am much happier and more fulfilled. I should never have spent energy on something I convinced myself I wanted to be.

I started taking PM to make my breasts grow even more. And they’ve grown and now they’re almost C cups.

Since PM my penis has shrunk 1.4 inches. When I finished PM, I started taking cimetidine. And from it I dropped an extra 0.6 inches.

I apologize for the long post

Stevenator_too (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 9:01 pm Pueraria Mirifica. Herbal Estrogen. It’s the strongest phytoestrogen that you can buy. It’s good stuff. You’ll get the benefits of a low dose estrogen program, without major feminization. Granted, *it will grow boobs*, cause fat shifting, smooth skin, female pheromones, testicular atrophy etc etc, but it’ll take much longer than pharmaceutical hrt.

I was on it for 4.5 years. I’m glad I switched to hrt, though.

Thanks for the explanation.

Update: I've taken Cimetidine off and on since my ulcer symptoms came back last week. COMPLETELY inert down there. No amount of effort or stimulation (visual or otherwise) produces any result. Nothing nocturnal when I wake at night, no morning wood. I'm mentally motivated, but nothing happens.

I looked for Pueraria Mirifica yesterday. It seems to be an elegant solution for what I want to do (shrinkage and slight feminization). But it is not available locally as far as I can tell.

I'll keep taking the Cimetidine as long as it feels like my stomach is on fire and update the group.

You’re welcome. Low-Dose PM Program (1,000mg) would take forever and a day to grow boobs, but you’ll get the benefits of phytoestrogens. Smooth skin, lowered libido, feminine brain, female pheromones, etc.

I enjoyed PM.

Update: I've continued with the Cimetidine, 800 mg most days, but sometimes more if my gut is in bad shape.

Libido is not decreased. Downstairs, it's not inert like it was a week ago, but it's definately less reliable, and I've "completed the transaction" a few times without being fully erect. Morning wood and waking up in the night with an erection has happened very infrequently.

I actually have a doctor appointment Thursday to hopefully sort out my TRT prescription and insurance issue.

I want folks to be happy, but all these posts about how someone has started taking Cimetidine for shrinking their penis and not having any effects after a week are surprising. Surprising for anyone who thinks their dick should shrink down to a shadow of its former self in a day or two, that is.

It took YEARS to get to where it is now, it's not going to shrink overnight unless you use a wood block and a meat clever, then it will, but you'll have other problems to sort out at that point. I don't advocate doing that, by the way.

Reviews which could be more helpful to the intended audience, are from folks who have been doing this for some time, and have been keeping a diary/log of their progress. I think that would be a good review of the results, and help folks set expectations.

Understand, in the end, I want everyone to be happy, but expect it's going to take a lot longer than one might think to get a desired result.

As always, consult your doctor if you're not sure of side effects, etc.

I've periodically tried to describe what's going on with me, and I hope I have not annoyed.

There are a few other threads about this topic; what I've noticed (and shared in at least one of them) is that it seems to work well in conjunction with other things like PM, Androcur, etc. to push T and erections to or near 0.

My PARTICULAR curiosity is what it can do on its own to someone (like me) on TRT. I'm in no hurry, as I'm not going to show it to anyone when/if it shrinks. But at the same time, it has been fascinating to experience having zero function for a couple of days, and then a random, urgent erection that required immediate attention on the third day. The wife has asked me about switching to something else for my stomach issues, but I'd like to keep trying it to see what happens.

For my part, I am as interested in reading "OMG IT'S 2 INCHES SMALLER!" as I am interested in reading "I didn't notice anything different." I mentally catalog everything as I consider next steps; I have a number of scenarios in mind if I decide to proceed but I need more information.

What I haven't seen (or maybe just don't recall) in any of these threads is where people were in terms of the side effects of low T when they did this successfully. As I understand it, many of the worst side effects fade if you get T low enough and/or replace it with E.

spookibus (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:08 pm What I haven't seen (or maybe just don't recall) in any of these threads is where people were in terms of the side effects of low T when they did this successfully. As I understand it, many of the worst side effects fade if you get T low enough and/or replace it with E.

There are numerous posts about the effects of low T. I personally had experienced the following unwanted side effects, at different stages of my chemical castration journey, anemia, fatigue, weight gain, getting emotional very easily, crying with very little trigger, and most troubling of all: depression and osteopenia (irreversible). While everyone's mileage is different, these side effects seem to be quite common. As you are on TRT, some of these side effects may be avoided. However, E has its own side effects as well. Please do your research and ideally discuss with an experienced and sympathetic medical doctor.

sftineun (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:07 pm There are numerous posts about the effects of low T. I personally had experienced the following unwanted side effects, at different stages of my chemical castration journey, anemia, fatigue, weight gain, getting emotional very easily, crying with very little trigger, and most troubling of all: depression and osteopenia (irreversible). While everyone's mileage is different, these side effects seem to be quite common. As you are on TRT, some of these side effects may be avoided. However, E has its own side effects as well. Please do your research and ideally discuss with an experienced and sympathetic medical doctor.

I didn't "thread the needle" on my point as well as I thought. I am VERY well aware of side effects of low T; for the better part of 2015, I felt like I just woke up all day every day.

What I have NOT seen is how/whether people using Cimetidine to induce impotence for the purpose of shrinkage had to deal with those symptoms (which I am 100% not willing to do right now), or whether they were ALREADY ON THE OTHER SIDE of the symptoms, which I am led to believe by the users here to be a place of serenity and peace.