Mac (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:52 am The world needs more understanding for those who do not fit the traditional mold. The more we learn and the more we understand, the better off we will be.

I knew it, you ARE a liberal.

snicker, snicker, giggle

Sorry my friend I could not help myself,

River

xsmasturbator (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:42 pm The eunuch , even if he have no shred of tissue of his reproductive system, is MALE. How he regards himself, as well as how others regard him, is irrelevant. Every cell in his body is MALE. His DNA has a Y chromosome. That's all it takes.

No matter what he may do to his body chemically or surgically, he cannot get rid of his Y chromosomes. He is irrevocably and irreversibly MALE. Similarly, Chastity Bono may call herself Chaz , take testosterone, have a prosthetic penis installed, ,or whatever she wishes, but, lacking a Y chromosome, she is and always will be FEMALE.

You sure your on the right web site. We are a bit more supportive and progressive then that here.

Just needed to throw this out there but I don't have time to try to desparately explain myself again: 'XX' male. There is such a thing but then they have a 'SRY' attachment.

As for eunuchism there are the five levels of adolescent development which many cannot complete due to biological reasons gone awry. If not completed, these will amount to varying degrees of eunuchoid habitus. And then on top of that there is pre-birth, birth, toddler, and pre-teen. And of course trans surgery will completely reverse the process for eunuchism.

In heaven (or outside of biology) there are not two genders. We are all the same as one. I think scientists and most theologians agree on this. On the face of this planet

devi (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:38 pm biology has everything to do with

'it' for primates and other mammals.

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:11 am I knew it, you ARE a liberal.

snicker, snicker, giggle

Sorry my friend I could not help myself,

River

You know that I tend toward the conservative. However, I try to be open and understanding toward others.

The problem I have with simple models of complex phenomena is simply that simple models of complex phenomena are inextricably so incomplete as to be usefully deemed false. Therefore, if a person has escaped all forms of somatic mutation and has never had any gene in any neuron jump (as in jumping genes as of the work of Barbara McClintoch), then I shall allow that a Y chromosome makes for a male person.

Only, translocations (jumping genes) and somatic mutations not translocations are so commonplace that it plausibly would take a googolplex of realized parallel universes for there to be even one true male in that sense.

To what extent might be the making of biological pronouncements without having sufficient understanding of the full realm of biology and biological diversity be a form of foolishness?

Mac (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:21 pm Your post makes me think of the Tennessee woman (with breasts :boobies:and penis ) who went to the DMV requesting that her driver's license be changed to list her as "female". Her request was denied because the law viewed her as a male. She subsequently went out into the parking lot and removed her blouse and bra. She was then arested for indecent exposure of her (female ) breasts. Was she female or male?

One reason that I, as a transgendered person (MtFtE) chose to keep my driver's license as supposedly male was convenience, the other was, by doing so, I can go around outdoors topless without being indecently exposed, thereby exposing the hypocrisy of society with impunity. The joke is on those true-believers in the binary gender phallusee. (Pun VERY intentional...)

As a "male" with very noticeable boobs, it is great to go topless at the beach.