biopsy will indicate no cancer and will cause it to be more difficult to get removed.... Concerns that biopsies could cause cancer to spread could expedite the removal.

uuMachine (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:06 am biopsy will indicate no cancer and will cause it to be more difficult to get removed.... Concerns that biopsies could cause cancer to spread could expedite the removal.

My urologist recommended removal rather than do a biopsy first for this very reason. She felt that the risk of it spreading from the biopsy, if indeed it was cancer, outweighed the risk of confirming it before surgery.

ZeuterMe (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:24 am The datasheets I read suggest a 50% reduction is typical, which I don't really consider "not much".

Okay, I guess it is more than "not much", however it is still marketed with the advantage that " No other chemical methods spare the endocrine function of the testicle like Zinc Neutering does to maintain the testosterone needed for metabolic activities."

In other words, the fact that it does not fully castrate is considered an advantage. Furthermore the literature usually explains that it does not change the male aggression or mounting behavior, which is really what most people seeking chemical castration are looking for.

But you're also right that it does seem to have the effect of knocking it down, so may be worth a try.

uuMachine (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:06 am biopsy will indicate no cancer and will cause it to be more difficult to get removed.... Concerns that biopsies could cause cancer to spread could expedite the removal.

I did wonder about this, by the time I get to see the Urologist it is going to be between 7-14 days. I wonder if I should inject both again?

unencumbered (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:36 am My urologist recommended removal rather than do a biopsy first for this very reason. She felt that the risk of it spreading from the biopsy, if indeed it was cancer, outweighed the risk of confirming it before surgery.

You and uuMachine are both in the US and they may take a different approach here in the UK.

jcat (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:43 pm You and uuMachine are both in the US and they may take a different approach here in the UK.

I recon the Australian system will be much the same as the UKL system and here they also remove rather than doing a biopsy due to the danger of spreading the cancer cells.

micdavi24 (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:33 am I recon the Australian system will be much the same as the UKL system and here they also remove rather than doing a biopsy due to the danger of spreading the cancer cells.

Hi Micdavi24, you are absolutely right I have done some research and that is exactly right. They do a biopsy after removal.

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:57 pm Okay, I guess it is more than "not much", however it is still marketed with the advantage that " No other chemical methods spare the endocrine function of the testicle like Zinc Neutering does to maintain the testosterone needed for metabolic activities."

In other words, the fact that it does not fully castrate is considered an advantage. Furthermore the literature usually explains that it does not change the male aggression or mounting behavior, which is really what most people seeking chemical castration are looking for.

But you're also right that it does seem to have the effect of knocking it down, so may be worth a try.

Marketing speak. Lots of people refuse to sterilize pets for fear of unmanning them, so the ability to either get Fido a vasectomy, or find some other way to split the difference is key to reducing euthanasia in animal shelters.

Having said that, many EA members who get themselves fixed have to find some form of hormone supplement to prevent nasty side effects like hot flashes and osteoporosis. Instead of a needle a week, might starting with zinc to see if that halfway mark is comfortable be a good place to start?

Failing that, you can always move on to calcium salts or surgical removal; you can even achieve surprisingly granular effects with calcium chloride by varying the concentration! I found a chart kicking around the internet made by someone with an interest in this; I'll quote him here.

Recent work in the scientific literature shows that you can decide just how neutered you want to be - by varying the concentration of a calcium chloride injection into the balls.

It goes in nice, approximately 25% increments, too - a 5% injection reduces testosterone levels by about 25%, a 10% by about 50%, and a 20% injection knocks it down by 75%.

I even made a chart. Once I remember where I found the study, I'll add a link to that, too. Their work was done in house cats, I think.

So - inquiring minds want to know. Just how fixed do you want to be?

Also, I'm just going to leave this here. (http://cl.ly/1g3o1U2T2y0n

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It's been one month since my first injections and I believe they made a significant change. Atrophy has been significant in the past couple of weeks which I really hoped for.

Well I couldn't help myself and again injected 48 hours ago. An hour after injection of .5ml straight 30% CACL into each testicle the pain really kicked in again at least as bad as before, easily an 8/10. This time though I took more pain killers which brought the pain back to tolerable levels. Then something weird happened, after about 6 hours the pain stopped, no pain whatsoever in the abdominal area, just the testicles were sore to touch and very swollen. This was odd because last time the significant pain lasted for about 72 hours.

So here I am about 48 hours after the 2nd injections and in no pain, just the feeling of hot swollen testicles. Not sure what to make of the lack of longer term pain this time. Perhaps the damage this time has been final.

Hello all,

It's been a while since I've posted. It's been a bit shy of seven months since I injected.

I've been in care of a urologist since January. I've had an ultrasound and a couple of follow-up appointments.

At today's meeting, I was given the option for orchiectomy or leaving things as they are.

I chose to keep my balls, at least for the time being.

The ultrasound revealed my testicles are consistent with significant injury, though they continue to have good circulation.

My nuts are currently the size and shape of lima beans and continue to diminish. They're small, flat and kidney shaped.

My urologist opined that he'd opt against orchiectomy, given the good blood flow, but he wants to continue to observe.

My feelings are that I've met my original goal of significantly reduced nuts. I have trouble finding them at times.

I'm good if they stay. Even better if they continue to atrophy.

I remain on a very low

r1honour (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:25 pm dosing of injectable testosterone

and am delighted with the results.

R.H.