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Losethem (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2002 1:39 pm And now we have our unwanted publicity in a major national publication. One of these days it will become clear to the world that there is a whole segment of the male population that is o.k. with no longer being part of the gene pool.

On top of that, the shrinks try to fit it into what they know (he wants his testicles gone, so he must want to be a woman...) That's not it. The medical community needs to come to the understanding that we are not wackos. We need sincere diologue with the medical community soon. Preferably before someone dies from undergoing an underground castration.

I know it's been said a million times, but women can nearly go in and say they want their female parts removed without a lot of questions. The medical community does it, then helps them with the aftercare. Why is it so difficult to help a man get rid of his guy parts?

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There are already many medical professionals that understand that many otherwise normal guys want their genitals, either or both their testes or cock, altered or removed. While my own doc disagreed with my decision to be nutted, I'm treated normally. He knows he doesn't have to feel my testes for lumps when I go for periodic exams. He's also let me know that he'll allow me to take the lead with respect to testosterone supplements - within reason.

My take on the problem is that there's enough popular prejudice against genital mods or removal that they won't be widely available soon. Doctors are just like humanity as a whole. Only a minority understand or accept the desires of people like us. It's the majority that establish the rules. If we're lucky the minority that understands or accepts may someday get their way, and they'll be able to assist those wanting these mods.

I am a 38 year old gay eunuch wannabe,I have kept it a secret in my head for many years because it's not really accepted and not legal.

I have read all the post about the Botched Castration,And I'm happy to hear that the victim is recovering well.

But I was really starting to look into getting castrated but Now that I read all the Horrror storys from amiture cutters,I don't know what to do,I hear great things about Dr.Specter and Kimmel but are they really credible since it's still ilegal? I guess I'll have to grit my teeth and go for the risky street cutters,since thats all we have.

~Ken

I thought going to Dr. Kimmel is perfectly legal.

I'm afraid I may have confused IW2BAEunuch. I had chatted with him and told him that it is illegal. I should have said that going to a "street cutter" is illegal. Not for the eunuch, but for the person that is castrating the soon to be eunuch.

If one went to Dr's Kimmel and Spector, it would be legal and above board.

Sorry if I confused anyone.

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:58 pm Taken from

WDIV Channel 4 Detroit (http://www.wdiv.com

/)

Original Article

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:58 pm (http://www.clickondetroit.com/det/news/stories/news-1

62911420020823-080844.html)

0AK PARK, Mich.-- A man accused of performing a castration at his kitchen tab

luvpain (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2002 2:51 am le was in court to face formal charges Fr

iday.

Shou Shan Wang, 29, (pictured, left) is charged with one count of practicing medicine without a license and unlawful dispensing of a drug.

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:58 pm Police say the procedure was performed on a dining room table inside an Oak Park home last June.

Lt. Bruce Smith said that the victim was found in front of the home

on Northfield Street

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:58 pm with heavy blood stain

luvpain (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2002 5:10 pm s on the front of his pants,
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after emergency medical services personnel received a call from a neighbor. When asked what happened, the Birmingham

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:58 pm man allegedly told officers that he had undergone a voluntary castration two hours earlier.

The victim was transported to Providence Hospital, where emergency surgery was performed to save his life following the botched removal of his testicles, according to Oakland County prosecutor David Gorcyca.

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:58 pm Investigators later searched the suspect's home and said that they found enough medical equipment and drugs to perform surgery.

The man, a Taiwanese national, told officers

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:58 pm that he learned to perform surgery from his grandparents, who were doctors. He performed his first procedure on a dog in Australia several years ago, Local 4 reported.

The victim arranged to meet the suspect over the Internet, Local 4 reported.

When the victim began bleeding following the operation, Wang told him to wait on the street while he called 911, according to prosecutors. The defendant did not call 911, prosecutors said.

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:58 pm Smith said that investigators found a pair of severed testicles in a Tupperware container in the suspect's refrigerator, which he reportedly says were from another man he castrated

a week prior to the incident

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:58 pm . That procedure was done inside a van, Local 4 reported.

Dr. Gerald Shiener, a psychiatrist,

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:58 pm said that there are some men who are so uncomfortable with sexual issues that they would rather undergo castration.

"There are always a handful of people who are so uncomfortable with sexual issues or so afraid of sexual issues that their only solution or only way out is to have those things cut out of them or cut off," said Shiener.

The suspect told detectives that he has performed similar surgeries on at least 50 other men.

Wang is in the United States on a student visa, which expired over a year ago, according to Gorcyca.

He pleaded not guilty to the charges Friday, and was released on bond.

Article from Local Newspaper

luvpain (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2002 2:51 am Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/)

Original Article (http://www.freep.com/news/l

atestnews/pm10702_20020823.htm)

Man charged in voluntary castration case

Friday, August 23, 2002

By MATT HELMS

FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

A Taiwanese national living in Oak Park faces charges related to voluntary castrating a Birmingham man who bled uncontrollably after the procedure was performed in June.

Shuo-Shan Wang, 29,

luvpain (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2002 7:24 pm was to be arraigned today in Oak Park District Court on one coun

t

luvpain (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2002 2:51 am of practicing medicine without a license

and unlawfully dispensing a prescription drug. The medical charge is a felony carrying up to four years in prison, while the drug charge is a 90-day misdemeanor.

Oakland County prosecutors said the 48-year-old Birmingham man who underwent the operation on Wang's kitchen table had contacted the would-be surgeon on the Internet. Wang told police he had performed castrations on other men in Michigan and in a former home in Australia.

Both men said they were eating pie after the procedure when the castrated man began laughing - and then bleeding, which couldn't be stopped.

Prosecutors said a neighbor notified authorities, who found the man sitting in blood-soaked jeans on a curb on Northfield Street. Police later found two testicles in a container in Wang's refrigerator.

Psychiatry experts say that such incidents are are, but some men want to be castrated for erotic reasons, and there are Web sites devoted to the subject. Other reasons include gender-identity disorders and compulsive feelings that genitals are dirty.

Oakland County deputy prosecutor Jim Halushka said the Birmingham man might have bled to death had the neighbor not called police. The m

luvpain (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2002 7:24 pm an later underwent emergency surgery at Pr

ovidence Hospital in Southfield.

``The whole purpose of the statut

luvpain (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2002 2:51 am e of practicing medicine without a license

is really illustrated in this case,'' Halushka said. Wang ``doesn't have a license. He's not equipped to handle a problem when it arises.''

Halushka said Wang has overstayed a student visa by more than year, and immigration authorities have been notified of his status.

It wasn't clear Friday whether Wang had an attorney. He couldn't be reached immediately for comment.

Well I see the “truth” is out in full force. I guess truth is in the eye of the beholder, your truth, my truth. <sigh> I just hope the cutter comes out OK, with the worst thing they do is deport him. It sucks to face prison for providing a service that the medical community is unwilling to.

If the cutter had NOT over-stayed his visa, but still had a valid one...or if he was a USA citizen...thus allowed to stay in the USA...then what?

Why wasn't the cutter concerned enough to call EMS when the patient started to bleed uncontrollably? That should have been the main concern.

Mac (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2002 7:12 am Why wasn't the cutter concerned enough to call EMS when the patient started to bleed uncontrollably? That should have been the main concern.

Don't believe everything you read in the Newspaper.

The caller to 911 wasn't a local neighbor. I'll leave it at that for right now since the case is still open.

The cutter was the utmost concerned about Don, and the only reason Don ending up giving Police the location of the cutter was from the sucidal overtone that he was displaying. Of cource it probably wouldn't have been very difficult for the police to locate the cutter using a police dog to tack Don's trail, or by following the Blood trail.