Paolo wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:26 pm
Thank you!
That's exactly what it is, and what all the stories on the FICTION archive should be considered. Even the ones that claim to be true, or the fictionalized personal anecdotal stories.
I know A-1 well enough to say that he doesn't believe it is a true story. What he is getting at are the plot elements, the themes, the content, that drive the story - and inviting discussion of such. Also, the very real possibility that such can and does happen.
Geeez, what was that kid's name that escaped after x-years in captivity of a kidnapper?
Yes, the story contains elements that our society today would consider 'sick and twisted' and abusive. However, some of the aspects were once the norm in certain societies, somewhere back the Timeline. No longer. We don't know how those boys felt about their roles, and we will never know unless someone invents time travel so we can ask them. All we have are our own personal views on the various themes in this story.
For instance, take the Byzantine Empire and the education of even well-to-do boys for Court. Castration was the norm - everyone expected it, even the boys. It is certainly not the same thing, exactly, to compare this to modern preparations of boys of the same age; however, there are conditions and preparations to be made for the boy(s) that will, no doubt, someday seem odd to those in the future.
For instance, I personally find long-term boarding schools with uniforms and very strict codes of conduct to be repugnant. Those boys that grew up like that, as their father before them did, will carry on with their own sons in that this is just how it is - and should be - done. Granted, NOT the same thing as this story, but in theme.
Personally, I think locking a boy in his room probably SHOULD be done when he hits puberty!
I am also personally opposed to sex with minors, unless the minor is having safe sex with another consenting minor of equal intelligence. I have nothing against a good fuck - whether you're 14 or 41. I don't discourage it; I advise against it, but I also provide condoms. So far, #1 waited until he was 20 to have #6. So far, so good...I haven't had to castrate any of them yet!
j/k
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(And before you scream 'age', it isn't 1950 anymore, folks. Move on. The world has. Beaver'n'Wally-2010 got laid a LONG time ago.)
Do minors have sex? Yes. Do they sometimes have sex with adults, hetero- or homosexually? Yes. Do they consent? Sometimes. Are they sometimes forced into it? ... Just read the news, sad as that is.
And this is where A-1's points come from, and my own arguments as well. Neither of us believes this story to be factual - but we do appreciate the elements therein that have some basis in fact.
Besides, it's fun to get him stirred up!
Precisely, Paolo.
The name of the girl is Jaycee Lee Dugard (
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,544000,00.html). Clicking on the name will let you read the story. She was abducted from a street corner at age 11. She was held as a SEX SLAVE for 18 years, and bore 2 children by her abductor.
She was 29 when she escaped with the children. She has not been to school, she has been deprived of her education and so have her children. She has NOTHING to show for 18 years of chronic abuse and she did what she had to do and survived.
Hell no "THE NEW BOY NEXT DOOR" series is not a true story, but I expect to see one just like it that is true on the news most any day now.
But let us discuss some stories that ARE true. O.K.? Jaycee Lee Dugard's abductor was convicted in 1976 of abducting a 25 year old woman and holding her captive and raping her. He served his time in prison and was released in 1988. In 1991 He abducted 11 year old Jayce Lee Dugard from a bus stop in Lake Tahoe. Look at the kid's picture. She is beautiful.
Now they are searching the perpetrator's property for the remains of missing women known to be prostitutes.
But that is man on female child. How about a TRUE story about the abduction and murder of 23 young men and boys? Larry Eyler (
http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/st ... /eyler.htm) picked up males, had sex with them, tortured them and then dismembered them.
Oh, but the story gets even better... Robert David Little (
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/seri ... ice_9.html) was a professor of Library Science at Indiana State University. Eyler lived with him for a time. They were lovers.
Larry Eyler when he knew he was dying of AIDS implicated the professor in most of the serial killings. The Professor denied involvment and since Eyler was the only one who was alive to testify Little was acquitted and went back to his teaching position. You see, he was tenured. The University had to do away with the entire Library Science program just so that they could RIF Little and get him off campus.
In the book, "Freed to Kill" the story is told. What is not told is the torture dismemberment endured by the victims before they died. One victim was found hanging in a barn, skinned and field-dressed like he was a deer carcass.
So yes, the object was Gay sex and then the victims were killed for whatever reasons. Some of the victims were teenaged minors. Some were in their 20's. None were much over 30.
SO, can we draw parallels with yet another variation of these true stories in the E.A. FICTIONAL series called "THE NEW BOY NEXT DOOR"?
Greebo. Explain to me why this fictional story series could not happen since you now have two true stories which when combined make the fictional "THE NEW BOY NEXT DOOR" series look a lot like a composite of these two true tales with the exception that no one has died..., at least not yet. That IS the only thing that makes this dysfunctional story fiction. If it were real there would be a LOT of bodies to hide by episode 16.
ALso, having gave the true stories of Jeffrey Dahlmer and John Wayne Gacy in the text of the thread earlier I claim that the only reason why this story is fiction is that such a story has not yet been uncovered and that time has not yet given up all of her secrets.
Pay attention, people. Look around you. Be fearful, very very fearful and above all, BE CAREFUL!
Larry used to come into the YMCA a lot and lift weights. I remembered him as not being Gay, but being peculiar. I don't remember if I actually seen him working out with a buddy. I may have. Professor Little used to play handball there.
I was a young married man with 2 little girls and a lovely wife to support at the time. I worked on the railroad. I could bench press 305 lbs. My bench press, squat and dead lift combination total approached 1200 lbs.
I never associated with the guy. My workout associates were police, prison guards a used car salesman, an attorney and an insurance agent.
If I was Gay I could have very well been a victim.
That's exactly what it is, and what all the stories on the FICTION archive should be considered. Even the ones that claim to be true, or the fictionalized personal anecdotal stories.
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