Our weather has returned to the way it was in the 50s and 60s

i preferred the dry and warm summers of the last 20 years before we returned to the old summers of the past

now we wait till july to make hay the last 3 years when we did it for years in may and june before that

it doesnt help the sun has woke up from a long slumber and has warmed up again...the next 2 years will be the most active for old sol...we will see what elnino brings next year..instead of back to back la nina

1 good thing we will see no dust bowls...farmers now know how to defeat mother nature on that

Paolo wrote: Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:44 am I believe the climate is changing.

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There is also evidence to show that the other planets are warming as well. If we had experienced the climate changes of Pluto or Mars lately, we'd be extinct by now - they've warmed and changed that much.

As to the cause?

A natural cycle of the planet, maybe even the solar system.

I do not believe the changes are man-made.

Science does not agree with you on that one.

I just watched a very good video on the subject of natural cycles of the planet, and how it corresponds to the temperature we are seeing today.

A scientist who posts on Youtube has a quite entertaining video on the subject.

Medieval Warm Period -- fact vs. fiction

moi621 (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:41 pm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

CY4Yecsx_-s&feature=g-all-u

potholer54 is one of the science guys I subscribe to. Thought the video is 20 minutes long, it is both educational, and light hearted. Check it out. It adds some little facts that the media does seem to miss when talking about climate change. It does a great job of debunking the 'natural cycles' argument.

As to other planets warming up... Do you have any sources I could investigate?

A-1 (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:44 am Aren't those temperature a little warm for Washington State?

That XY cord is just outside Portland just off Hwy 26 in Oregon State.

Oops. I just found a neat little explanation about cooling and warming of other planets.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global- ... -basic.htm

Did you know we don't know a lot about other planet's climates? It's true! that is why we keep sending probes out there. We are trying to figure it out.

Also, Some of the planets seem to be cooling, in conjunction with our sun's cooling, and some planets seem to be warming.

As we go further out into the solar system, planetary years get longer and longer. Saturn takes 30 years to orbit the sun once. Pluto, a lot longer (248 years). What we may be measuring is seasonal changes on these planets. We have not been observing them long enough to draw a conclusion. Pluto was only discovered 82 years ago. We have not witnessed a full Plutonian year yet.

We do not have a long record of tracking temperatures on other planets. We just don't know what kind of trends they go through. No data equals no conclusions about warming and cooling trends of other planets.

On the other hand, we DO have a lot of data about the planet we are on. We don't have to rely on telescopes and space probes. Luckily, we live here, and can measure the temperature directly. Tree rings, ice cores, real measurements, blah blah blah... (boring stuff)

Before this, I had no idea people were trying to use data from other planets to try and explain warming on this one. I was honestly delighted to realize that climate deniers were getting so creative.

Thanks for giving me the heads up on this Paolo. I'm no scientist myself, but I'm a science junkie. (Science fan-boy?)

Frankly, travelling to the core of Heat Central (MoM) has me a little worried. I don't take heat well. Talula better have squeegees at the ready. I may turn into a puddle when I am there.

Just scrape me into a bucket and put me in the shade. The sun is not my friend.

Interesting thought Cainanite, have we measured the heat / cooling of the inter planets, Mercy and Venus? then again Mercy is so hot being so close to the sun it most likely would not make any difference one way or the other and Venus is such a volume of gas that its unknown what the surface would be really like hot or cold.

But I think its clear that this planet is warming, and the reason is not because there are to many cows farting.

River

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:04 pm Interesting thought Cainanite, have we measured the heat / cooling of the inter planets, Mercy and Venus? then again Mercy is so hot being so close to the sun it most likely would not make any difference one way or the other and Venus is such a volume of gas that its unknown what the surface would be really like hot or cold.

But I think its clear that this planet is warming, and the reason is not because there are to many cows farting.

River

Mercury has no atmosphere to measure and is at the direct mercy of the sun. The sun is cooling, so I would guess mercury would be too.

Venus is a non starter, because of its thick atmosphere. It already has runaway global warming. It was our model for the possibility of the greenhouse effect here on Earth. At this point, the sun could go out, and Venus would remain just as hot as it is now. Probably for quite a while.

Mars has almost no data about its global climate, or warming/cooling trends. Because of its extremely thin atmosphere it is both a lot colder than Earth, because there is nothing to trap the heat, And can be more susceptible to the sun's rays, because there is nothing to stop the radiation. For the paltry amount of data we have (which is almost none) the best we can deduce is that the planet cools slightly when it experiences massive dust storms, and warms slightly when the storms are fewer.

Planets do not orbit the sun in perfect circles, sometimes they are slightly closer to the sun, sometimes further away. This is called orbital eccentricity and it contributes far greater changes to Martian climate than to that of the Earth because variations in Mars' orbit are five times greater than the Earth

Cainanite (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:13 pm http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-o

n-mars.htm

All that to say we don't really know what is happening on other planets definitively. We just do not have the data.

We have reams of data here on earth, and the science says two things. 1) The source of heat (our sun) is going through a slight cooling trend. 2) The Earth is getting much warmer than natural trends would normally allow. (Point #2 is getting worse every year.)

This is one of those things that the science is in on. The Earth is getting warmer globally. Natural trends don't account for what we are seeing. Rising human pollution is the #1 best suspect. We've got enough evidence to convict.

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:04 pm Interesting thought Cainanite, have we measured the heat / cooling of the inter planets, Mercy and Venus? then again Mercy is so hot being so close to the sun it most likely would not make any difference one way or the other and Venus is such a volume of gas that its unknown what the surface would be really like hot or cold.

But I think its clear that this planet is warming, and the reason is not because there are to many cows farting.

River

Venus is a victim of a runaway greenhouse effect and has a surface temperature of 872° F.

The main atmospheric gases are carbon dioxide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide) and nitrogen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen).

It is speculated that the atmosphere of Venus up to around 4 billion years ago was more like that of the Earth with liquid water on the surface. The runaway greenhouse effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_greenhouse_effect) may have been caused by the evaporation of the surface water and subsequent rise of the levels of other greenhouse gases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus

That's their theory.

I say it has an extremely large molten core compared to Earth, while

Mars and the Moon have none left.

Nothing ran away, it never cooled down.

The MidWest heat up is probably that big lava dome under Yellowstone surfacing and moving around heating up the crust above it. Remember, when it is proven, where you Heard It First.

Weather on Earth. MidWest heating up because of that magma bubble, just like Siberia and Greenland.

After a pleasant cool down to 70F, with fresh ocean breezes, the Monsoon is due to return.

I am getting a few figs a day from my tree. The cats sleep.

Moi

moi621 (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:30 pm That's their theory.

I say it has an extremely large molten core compared to Earth, while

Mars and the Moon have none left.

Nothing ran away, it never cooled down.

The MidWest heat up is probably that big lava dome under Yellowstone surfacing and moving around heating up the crust above it. Remember, when it is proven, where you Heard It First.

Weather on Earth. MidWest heating up because of that magma bubble, just like Siberia and Greenland.

After a pleasant cool down to 70F, with fresh ocean breezes, the Monsoon is due to return.

I am getting a few figs a day from my tree. The cats sleep.

Moi

Nice try, moi.

Sounds more like thought processes generated under the influence of MAUI WOWIE seeds grown into fine plant in the fertile hills near Sacramento to me.

But we ARE finding much FUN in it, no?

(I worry that drugs are making us more creative then we really are - Lily Tomlin (http://star.goddess.tripod.com/quotes_funny.html))

WARNING! You have the right to remain silent, anything that you say can be mis-quoted and used against you in a future post...

all time high is 107 degrees

we would get a week or 2 of 100s every summer before

i have not seen a 100 in 5 years now

we have not seen 90 yet this year

yesterday was like being in Hawaii..without the rain

just the right sun and clouds 80 degrees and beautiful

nobody is going to do a thing about climate change except move

i will take a warmer climate any day over a ice age

A-1 (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:44 am Aren't those temperature a little warm for Washington State?