r1honour (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:55 pm Hello magickitty,

As a fellow who has injected his balls with CaCl, I can only advise that you should look forward to no sexual response without testosterone replacement. And, from my reading, you likely won't experience the same sexual response you had prior to injecting should you go forward with testosterone replacement.

R.H.

No amount of dysfunction or frustration by others with it will convince me to take testosterone.

Hello magickitty,

In no way did I intend to infer that anyone should supplement testosterone.

As with our initial desire for castration, our arrival at the other side is a different path for each of us.

It was only this year I reluctantly agreed with my doctor to begin supplementation. She wanted at least a low-normal total reading. Through discussion, we agreed, for me, an extremely low normal level is better than non-supplementation.

Her concerns continue to be warding off osteoporosis and loss of lean muscle mass as I age, as well as a myriad of other health consequences for life without hormones.

We discussed the use of estrogen, but I ruled that out as I don't wish to risk feminization. I wish to present as an asexual gay male.

My only purpose for chiming in, which in hindsight was poorly worded, was to express, from my own experience, the magic blue pills would likely be ineffective at helping achieve prolonged arousal absent testosterone.

I stopped feeling frustrated with my lack of sexual response when I had the eureka moment that being sexually active wasn't right for me.

Best of wishes for achieving your desired results with your journey.

R.H.

Guys, here is some very important updated research information from Parsemus Foundation (where we got the idea of calcium chloride castration form)

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:30 pm : http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/

wp-content/uploads/2012/11/CaCl-ingredients-technique-2013-08.pdf

The key points is that they compared mixing it with alcohol, saline and lidocaine and found that alcohol was the preferred base as it more certainly achieved affect after 1 year, achieved effect faster (1 month versus 2), and had less swelling.

Also, they give the specific recipe for their recommended mix using high proof alcohol (they mention Everclear or other high proof drinking alcohol as being acceptable base).

They give specific amounts based on the width of your testicle. I've copied the guidelines below

Guideline for dosage per testicle:

Testicular Width Dose per testicle

10-14 mm 0.25ml

15-18mm 0.5ml

19-22 mm 0.8ml

23 and above 1 ml

For larger testicles, dosage is not determined. Koger (1978) reported 2 ml of 30% calcium chloride per testis in

an 85-pound Golden Retriever and that “in cattle, results so far indicate that doses of 1.0-2.5 ml per

100 lb. (45 kg) body weight are effective, depending on individual variation.” Recent pilot studies in

California in goats (which have very large testes) found 4 mL to be insufficient even after multiple

injections; eventually 10mL was used and was effective.

They give advice on the injection technique (especially whether to withdraw during the injection) -- conclusion from research is that it is best to try to inject full amount in center of testis rather than trying to distribute it.

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:20 am Guys, here is some very important updated research information from Parsemus Foundation (where we got the idea of calcium chloride castration form)

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: http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/

wp-content/uploads/2012/11/CaCl-ingredients-technique-2013-08.pdf

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ffect faster (1 month versus 2), and had less swelling.

I'm assuming they mean they dissolve calcium chloride with alcohol, rather than how people on this board simply add alcohol to already dissolved calcium chloride, meaning you'd have to inject more to get the same amount of calcium chloride. (Trying to clarify as many people don't know much about chemistry type stuff)

So if you want to do it like they are in the study, follow the "recipe" instead of adding alcohol to the liquid you buy.

magickitty (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:02 am I'm assuming they mean they dissolve calcium chloride with alcohol, rather than how people on this board simply add alcohol to already dissolved calcium chloride, meaning you'd have to inject more to get the same amount of calcium chloride. (Trying to clarify as many people don't know much about chemistry type stuff)

So if you want to do it like they are in the study, follow the "recipe" instead of adding alcohol to the liquid you buy.

The first time I injected I did it by adding vodka to the calcium chloride solution, the second time I injected, I first boiled the water off the calcium chloride solution to obtain a pure salt and then mixed this with vodka. Unfortunately Everclear isn't available here in Australia, so the strongest vodka is only 40% alcohol, but it has seemed to work so far. I am expecting a bottle of Everclear from the US soon and then I will again dry the salt and mix with the Everclear abd inject a third time using SplitDick's directions and if that doesn't kill them, nothing will.

magickitty (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:02 am I'm assuming they mean they dissolve calcium chloride with alcohol, rather than how people on this board simply add alcohol to already dissolved calcium chloride, meaning you'd have to inject more to get the same amount of calcium chloride. (Trying to clarify as many people don't know much about chemistry type stuff)

So if you want to do it like they are in the study, follow the "recipe" instead of adding alcohol to the liquid you buy.

Yeah, some people aren't good at math, but the % concentration of course is diluted by any additional liquid volume. So if you had 20% Calcium Chloride solution and added equal amount of 140proof alcohol, you'd end up with a solution that is both 10% calcium chloride and also 70proof alcohol.

The calcium chloride in the studies seems to be quite dependent on the concentration, so it is good to keep it high. As mentioned, the actual recipe for alcohol involves dissolving calcium chloride salt directly into high-proof alcohol rather than mixing calcium chloride already in solution.

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:37 pm Yeah, some people aren't good at math, but the % concentration of course is diluted by any additional liquid volume.

In chemistry, 5ml of an acid at 1M isn't as bad as 1ml of the same acid with the concentration of 5M. They both have the same amount in them, but the concentration makes it much more corrosive with 5M vs 1M, regardless of the volume.

I wonder if these injections are similar. I forget what way they kill the testicles, but if I remember correctly it's not just killing them like alcohol.

I say this because following a recipe to make it yourself is harder (more time consuming) than buying a bottle. Many people are adding alcohol to it, but if one person just injects 1ml of calcium chloride into one testicle and 1ml of calcium chloride PLUS .5ml of alcohol into the other, would the calcium chloride have the same effect?

Maybe someone in the future can test this and do a one person study (I think 1.5ml would be too high (wouldn't want exploding testicles) so you'd have to scale it back using ratios)

FOR SCIENCE!

Update: My testicles are both getting smaller and are at a "normal" size for most men probably, but mine started out smaller because I was already taking testosterone blockers.

Also, they are getting flatter and may also be shaped differently. I didn't spend a ton of time feeling around but I mainly noticed that they're still oval, but they're changing shape to be more flat. I can squeeze (only way I know they're changing shape) them without feeling any pain. I feel less in general than before the injection.

As of yesterday (2 days shy of 2 weeks) i'm noticing breast sensitivity (generally indicating growth). Possibly due to decreasing testosterone levels? No way to know, as it could have happened regardless, but it's worth mentioning.

I think I run out of anti androgens in a month, so i'll probably get hormones checked a little after that (so my T levels go to their natural level). I want to do another injection in a month or two so I can be sure they're dead and then I'll get my hormone levels checked again (thankfully I can do that for $10).

IT STARTS NOW

It us now 11:57 Pm on February 6, 2014, I have 3 cc syringes with 21 gauge, 1 1/2" needles prepared with .75 cc of 32% Calcium Chloride liquid (FDA certified for purity), and .75 cc of 190 proof Everclear (Ethanol 95%). The needles are sterile and unused.

I sprayed 5% benzocaine solution (deep throat numbing spray) onto my sack, which are shaved clean using Nair Hair Removal Cream, to numb the whole area about two or three minutes ago and am now going to band my testicles with a Tri-band Bander (Tri-band Bander is 3 times as tight as elastrator band).

Will wait 10 to 15 minutes now for testicles to become tight in the sack and begin the numbing process of being banded.

While waiting I will describe my testicles and give some history. My left testicle appears to be smaller bay a large degree than my right. My right testicle has had three hydroceles over the years, obvious from me abusing them with bander and/or injections of different fluids into it. I plan to inject my left smaller testicle first. I have injected 1 cc of Everclear into both testicles three times in the past year. The last injection being four months ago also with a 3 cc syringe and 1 1/2" needle without serious incident.

Testicles are turning somewhat purple now so shall I get started. Pick up the first syringe and remove cover from needle and make sure now air is in the syringe. I will inject the fluid very slowly so will be back in just a minute or two after injecting my left testicle. It is now 12:22 AM.

It is now 12:29AM and first injection in the left testicle is complete. The only pain I felt was the small prick when the needle initially entered the testicle, there was no pain when it first entered the sack. There was no pain during the injection other than a slight full feeling in the testicle by the time the plunger was all the way down. I pushed the needle in about 3/4" into the testicle which is about 1 1/8" long and 7/8" across so injections should be in about the center of the testicle. We will wait a couple minutes and do the second injection into the larger right testicle. Right testicle measures 1 1/2" long and 1" across and is not perfectly oval shaped like the left.

It is now 12:41 AM. My back is beginning to ache from the band on my sack and the testicles are getting a darker purple. Bled a couple drops from previous injection site. Have got the other syringe ready for the injection, will return in a few to tell you how it went.

It is now 12:52 AM and injection is now complete. Unlike the left side injection, there was some pain as I injected the solution into the testicle toward the end of the injection. I was a kind of sharp, tight and burning feeling. Not real bad, but definitely different. I will now remove the band from my sack using a cat’s claw cutter. Be back in a few. I am happy now that I took this step. I know also that now there is no turning back.

It is now 2:04 AM. After I removed the band I inspected the testicles. There is a small red mark at both injection sites but other than that they look normal. The only pain I am feeling right now is an aching feeling and both testicles feel very tight and full. I drank two drinks I mixed with orange juice and Everclear (2 shot in each) to help me get to sleep. As of right now, if there is any swelling, it is very minimal but the injection sites are now small black and blue marks about a quarter inch in diameter. I feel no ill effect of any kind right now other than possibly a little fear.... Too late for that now though!

It is now 8:23 AM on February 6, 2014. I drank two more drinks and fell right to sleep. This morning there is only a dull aching feeling in my testicles, back and abdomen. It is bothersome but bearable and the swelling has begun and my sack feels heavy and tender to the touch. The injection sites are small black and blue marks. There are no other ill effects at this time. It is somewhat painful to walk...am walking with my legs spread apart so as not to put pressure on my swollen sack and testicles. If the pain gets too bad, I do have a bottle of 18 Percocet and some Tylenol 3 with codeine caplets.

Today is day 2. It is 1:47 AM and am awake and having significant pain but still not unbearable. They are swelling quite large and feel hot to the touch although my body temp is only 99.1 degrees. Cannot put any pressure on them and feel like oranges hanging between my legs. Am wearing fairly large loose fitting panties to kind of support them. Just took 2 percosets so maybe will help, may also drink some more of the everclear mixed with orange juice. Injection sites are still quite noticeable as black and blue marks on bottom of my sack. Hopefully they will go away soon in case something happens (which I don't see happening) and I have to go to the hospital. If all goes well, in 1 to 3 months when they are dead and shrunken and hard, I will go to the hospital and tell them I don't know what happened to them and maybe they will surgically removed the dead tissue. I may even be able to talk them into removing the sack too because I am not going to do SRS, just want them gone. Enough for tonight.