Brandon86 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:34 pm You do make some good points in your post. However, I never "blamed" my need for castration on Jesus. The thing is, as a Catholic I place a great deal of stock on tradition and I don't see how the early Church could fall away from Christ's meaning so quickly on the matters of castration. It's been done by Christians since shortly after Christ made His sacrifice for us. I could be wrong. If I am, God will guide me away from it, as He has always guided us away from faulty tradition and toward to Sacred Tradition . This is why I will try chemical castration first. Are you worried I won't or something? I can assure you, I will. If it is indeed not God's will for me, then I will know after giving the chemical route a try first. Or perhaps, if indeed I need to meet a nice girl, God will send her to me long before I even attempt the chemical, showing me His way. That's how I see it.

Of course, I am not sure how opting for castration would be a result of pride. If indeed I desire castration for the reasons you think (avoiding sexual sins), I would think that seeking castration is an act of humility, placing God before my own desires.

I do appreciate your concern. I'm am curious, though, since you feel religious beliefs aren't a valid reason for castration, what do you think is?

Keep the posts and criticism coming, it is really helping me to thoroughly consider all my reasons.

Slammr (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:52 pm Peace and Blessings,

Brandon

Brandon,

God will not send you a girl. You are not Adam. You must go seek one for yourself. Try E-Harmony.com. (http://e-harmony.com/) Then, click on "Christian Singles." There are girls out there who would LOVE to meet a guy whose first interest is not sex. They want companionship. Sex is secondary. Maybe God is acting through me, I don't know. I always

Brandon86 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:34 pm try to talk people out of castration.

Now, you ask...

I'm am curious, though, since you feel religious beliefs aren't

a valid reason for castration, what do you think is?

Brandon, there are reasons. The first would be as a treatment for cancer. The second would be gender dysphoria. God made them male and female but as we all know here at the good ole E.A., we also have some 'tweeners that are some percentage of each. Such may actually be eunuchs from their mother's womb. Read carefully through the following powerpoint presentation (http://mentor.lscf.ucsb.edu/course/spri ... 203per.pdf) on Gender Dysphoria. (http://www.isna.org/book/print/716)

5-alpha reductase abnormalities (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Abstract) is certainly a reason why one would consider a sex change including castration.

So, I do not suppose that you have any of these conditions. Also, mentally if you feel female and seek to change your sex then I would not consider you are a "normal" male, whatever that is, and as such candidate for castration and sex re-assignment.

However, all that you have came up with so far is a religious reason. I cannot fathom what influence that you have found in a mainstream religion like Catholicism that would not discourage you from castration, barrin

Brandon86 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:34 pm g any of the circumstances that I have mentioned above.

Of course, I am not sure how opting for castration would be a result of pride. If indeed I desire castration for the reasons you think (avoiding sexual sins), I would think that seeking castration is a

n act of humility, placing God before my own desires.

No, no, no...

This is incorrect. IF you get castrated you will have NO desires. God wanted you to have desires or you would have been born a eunuch or you would have been put into physical circumstances that made you "a eunuch of men".

The pride part comes in the fact that you will have had yourself castrated to become better than or superior to the "natural man". As I have said before, you could have been born a eunuch. (A eunuch from the womb) However, apparently you were born a normal male. This is how God intended you to be. If you are castrated in an attempt to please God, you are going against how God intended you to be.

Therefore, this act of castration becomes and act of PRIDE.

Understand?

Listen, God don't make junk. HE has allowed us on the E.A. to create this site to explore sexuality, all aspects of sexuality, and to allow us to experience temptation and choose the road that we will choose after due correspondence with peers who care.

Maybe my purgatory is to quiz gentlemen like yourself, to hone your thoughts and to make you damn sure that you want your balls cut off. The trouble is, you have not experienced sex with a woman and you are not contemplating a life of celebacy as an act of resistance to your sexuality.

You, my friend, are looking for an easy way out. If you take that way out now, you will never be what God intended you to be, you will be a eunuch of your own choice. This is an act of pride, not of pentance.

You have not convinced me of anything yet except that you are looking for an easy way to get out of dealing with your sexuality. You need to enjoy it, learn responsibility in dealing with it and how not to repress it to the point that it becomes an obsession which is causing a castration complex to develop.

Please tell us in as much detail as you can what you feel that you have done to deserve castration, or why you feel that castration is right for you.

NONE of us think that castration is right for you or you would not be getting steered toward a course of depoprovera therapy. I am just the most vocal of the group. You know, the Songs of Solomon (http://dansmc.com/Bible/22_song.htm) type

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Dear Eunuchist,

We will agree to disagree, no doubt.

However, when you go dancing around the scriptures, picking bits and pieces out to prove YOUR point, -Luke 29, Revelations 13- you are not even attempting to read the scripture in the manner in which it was written. YOU are attempting to control Brandon86.

Now, Eunuchist, my friend, you deserve an answer.

Eunuchist (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:33 pm A-1: Since when do you know wich needs are generated by the Holy Ghost, and wich are not??

Since I recived the Holy Ghost as a child. Do you have any more questions to attempt to ridicule me?

I might add that this powerful entity NEVER abandons me, it is I that does the abandoning. All I need to do is to call and there he is...

Eunuchist (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:33 pm This is the exact opposite of what Jesus teached. It is clear from the 4 gospels that marriage, sex and kids no longer were considered important.

...suffer the children to come unto me...

LK,

You are babbling, Eunuchist.

DEAR Brandon86, that if you want to become like Eunuchuist is, then go out to your garage now, pull off your pants, take a 5 lb or 10 lb mall and smash your testicles on a workbench or the cement garage floor. Why worry with a doctor? After all, they are just educated idiots like me.

However, if this is not for you, you had better think hard and long about what I am trying to tell you.

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A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:01 pm God will not send you a girl. You are not Adam.

Well, marriage is viewed as a vocation in Catholicism. As an individual, I accept that idea of my Church. Now, following this logic, it'd mean that God has selected a mate for each person who would in turn help each other attain salvation and eternal life. So, God would send each of us a mate, if that is His plan. Of course, the idea of marriage as a vocation is something newer, or at least wasn't constantly taught until recently. Something to mull over, of course I don't expect you to accept the above-mentioned belief. I respect your right to believe your previous statement.

Try E-Harmony.com.

A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:01 pm Then, click on "Christian Singles." There are girls out there who would LOVE to meet a guy whose first interest is not sex. They want companionship. Sex is secondary. Maybe God is acting through me, I don't know. I always

try to talk people out of castration.

A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:01 pm The trouble is, you have not experienced sex with a woman and you are not contemplating a life of celebacy as an act of resistance to your sexuality.

So, in other words, you're suggesting I pursue some relationships before I make any decisions?

A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:01 pm Please tell us in as much detail as you can what you feel that you have done to deserve castration, or why you feel that castration is right for you.

Other than religious and personal, I don't have anything else to offer. Of course, you suggested I was born a normal male. Is it normal for a normal male to desire castration?

A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:01 pm NONE of us think that castration is right for y

A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:29 pm ou or you would not be getting steered toward a course of depoprovera therapy. I am just the most vocal of

the group. You know, the Songs of Solomon

type

Is this true? Does everyone here feel that way? Speak up, folks, if you all would, please.

However, if this is not for you, you had better think hard and long about what I am trying to tell you

Of course I am. I would not respond to any of your posts if I wasn't thinking them over. And remember, I continue to welcome your insight and criticism. Thanks.

Slammr (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:52 pm Peace and Blessings,

Brandon

Brandon86 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:42 pm Other than religious and personal, I don't have anything else to offer. Of course, you suggested I was born a normal male. Is it normal for a normal male to desire castration?

Look, everybody has moments of despair. Just remember, this MAY be yours...

Brandon86 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:42 pm So, in other words, you're suggesting I pursue some relationships before I make any decisions?

BINGO!

Vocation?

Look, I charge thee, go to E-Harmony.com and seek a mate.

We ain't no blankedy-blank dating service.

This is the Eunuch Archive.

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Vocation?

Yeah. I don't know about other church out there, but in the RCC a vocation is one's calling in life, what they are meant to be. Some are called to be married, others to be priests, others to religious lay (monks, nuns), and others to single celibate life. That's the Catholic view, anyways. I have heard nonCatholics mention vocation, but I am not entirely sure of their definition on the matter. Thanks.

Slammr (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:52 pm Peace and Blessings,

Brandon

A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:29 pm However, when you go dancing around the scriptures, picking bits and pieces out to prove YOUR point, -Luke 29, Revelations 13- you are not even attempting to read the scripture in the manner in which it was written. YOU are attempting to control Brandon86.

A-1, first off, it was, and is, NEVER my intent to control anyone. All I did was offering a confronting reply. I believe in a rational discussion free of brow-beating and intimidation. I believe it is our duty to lay the facts on the table and let others decide. I am of the firm belief that it is, in most cases, directly counter-productive to indulge in this sort of overambitious scare shows. Most of the facts are in. Let the folks decide. We are not here to do the thinking for others. It's their bodies, and they, as adults, have the ultimate say about their decisions. Making people angry and abandoning the boards does not seem useful. Castration is known to affect everyone differently, but I do know from personal experience - along with many others on this board - that it can be the most wonderful thing a man can do. I have no shame in who I am, nor do I view castration as something as horrible and detrimental to a man's life as you seem to imply. In fact - to the contrary.

That's all. Okay, maybe I got heated up a little bit sometime in betwen. But I was definitely not "conspiring" the scriptures as you suggest (besides, do you believe you did an all-honest and unflitching interpretation in your previous reply?? What if I say you are determined to do, say and twist everything that would be an attempt to influence a person's mind away from castration? Is this an unbiased position?) As I said, I am not a Christian (though I believe some parts of the scriptures may have a divine inspiration about them) and I was merely trying to construct some "food for thought" with a confronting perspective. Neither am I an expert on the scripture - I was merely interpreting passages wich I read a long time ago and wich made sense to me back then, and now. I still believe that my (and the Skopzy's) interperetation of Revelation 13 and Luke 19 were reasonable and logical - unless you may be so kind and clearly demonstrate why these passages should be viewed differently.

However, I am sure that all of us are aware that the scripture may be interpreted in various ways - there are even websites attempting to "prove" that Jesus was talking about homosexuals and lesbians along/instead of eunuchs. If it was possible to interpret the scriptures in a universally "correct" way, I am sure we wouldn't have so many Christian sects around as we do (and always did).

A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:29 pm Since I recived the Holy Ghost as a child. Do you have any more questions to attempt to ridicule me?

I might add that this powerful entity NEVER abandons me, it is I that does the abandoning. All I need to do is to call and there he is...

No, not really - your quote speaks for itself, I am afraid..

A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:29 pm ...suffer the children to come unto me...

You are babbling, Eunuchist.

Not at all. What I suggested was that it does not seem convincing from the 4 gospels that Jesus ever considered marriage and having kids to be important for his disciples and for those "recieving the call". Of course Jesus loved children, but it seems like he did not intend for them to bother with procreation and marriage, once adults (considering that none of the 12 disciples ever appear to have been married with kids). That was my initial suggestion. As Paul also pointed out (don't have the link right now), that "we live in times when the married should live as if not married and the rich as if not rich" (or something similar).

A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:29 pm DEAR Brandon86, that if you want to become like Eunuchuist is, then go out to your garage now, pull off your pants, take a 5 lb or 10 lb mall and smash your testicles on a workbench or the cement garage floor. Why worry with a doctor? After all, they are just educated idiots like me.

Never mind that you completely ignored one important fact:

Brandon has reiterated over and over that he plans to do the chemical route for at least 12+ months.. after wich you still continued unrestrained pecking about how immature and stupid he is by even THINKING about getting castrated. A little bit of RESPECT, anyone?? But of COURSE you were joking, as usual..

I always try to talk people out of castration.

That about sums it up. At least you were honest, for once.

A-1 (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:01 pm NONE of us think that castration is right for you....

I object when others assert a right to speak for me when there was neither knowledge nor consent. You do not even know what I think about that matter. The appropriate wording should have been: "I {meaning A-1} do not think that castration is right for you...."

Maybe someone needs to start up a new chapter of Heaven's Gate?

BudleyBare (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:22 am I object when others assert a right to speak for me when there was neither knowledge nor consent. You do not even know what I think about that matter. The appropriate wording should have been: "I {meaning A-1} do not think that castration is right for you...."

My meaning behind this was that nobody was trying to send Brandon86 directly to a source that could reasonably perform the castration procedure. From this fact I made the conclusion that has seemed to have offended you. I am sorry to have offended anyone, but I call 'em as I see 'em.

Eunuchist,

As before, we agree to disagree. However, I mean no disrespect to you or to your lifes' path choices.

It is just at age 20 you have the rest of your life to make choices that will influence the rest of your life. There is no reason to hurry into a life-changing decision until you are sure that it is right for you and you have examined other options, as I am sure that you well know.

Otherwise, I am who I am and that's all that I am. (To quote Popeye) I might add that I make no apologies for what I am. I have been a contributer to this message board since it's inception and I have tried to mellow it out in many different areas. I feel that I have kept it from getting into some problems. I had a running e-mail message exchange with Bboy and although I never met the man I feel that I knew him. Fantasy is fantasy and life is life. People need to know the difference, don't you agree?

So, my friend Eunuchist, like me or not, you know who I am and what I do here.

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