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Posted: **Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:00 pm**

:)IEunuch you must have mist the one with the steam train in it.

Ernie

Posted: **Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:05 pm**

You know this is going to be one of these TV shows that asks the question then takes several years to answer it, oh and by the way in the mean time this happened, you still interested??????

The hand writing was on the wall after the first show.

I guess my real thought on this is 'you mean they have not canceled it yet?

You will know its going to be canceled when they move it to Friday Night.

River

Posted: **Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:25 am**

Ernie of Maine (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:00 pm :)IEunuch you must have mist the one with the steam train in it. Ernie

You know, I saw that ep, and if anything it pissed me off even more.

15 frigging years since electricity vanished, and they have ONE steam engine, and it's only just barely been made to work?? Umm.... There are probably two or three functional ones in the area where I am rihgt now. And the militia there controls a large enough area there's no excuse for it.

Posted: **Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:35 am**

I saw one ep. of this in passing, and I think the flamers of the series are right: It sucked big ones.

However, I've had problems with other shows, too, and watched them. Still...just...wow!

Posted: **Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:51 am**

Having just watched the most recent episode, I'm gonna add in a couple other gripes...

For a society that seems to be completely unable to muster enough engineers (of both stripes) to get one steam engine going in 15 years, they sure seem to have managed to assemble quite the stable of other professions which are, as far as I know, quite a bit more endangered in modern times.

There sure are a LOT of horses. Seriously. For just 15 years from now, there is one hell of a lot of horse power going around this militia-controlled area. Great breeding!

Amazing how there are enough farriers to go around tending to all these horses, right?

Speaking of horses and farriers, one can only assume there's been a sudden upswing in the amount of blacksmiths to forge the horseshoes needed to shod all them horses.

Although, with so many blacksmiths, how are they heating all those forges? Can't use gas, doubt there's enough coal readily available, so they must be using massive amounts of charcoal.

There must be an even larger number of loggers out there, although we have yet to see sight of them, and people who are good at turning wood into charcoal to keep those forges hot.

Since you've got those forges hot, might as well drum up some people that know how to fabricate muskets, and keep them repaired and in good working order. I know there's a dozen people locally who can do that right now, aren't there?

Last, bowyers and fletchers. This must be a huge growth industry these days. Especially if they can make crossbows and bolts. We've seen enough of both that there's gotta be a number of them out there.

So, have I missed any of the huge new talent pools that lie in the fringes of the show, invisible but assumed to exist? I mean... barely enough technical expertise to get ONE train working in 15 years, but somehow enough of these even more 'fringe' knowledge sets survive to populate the world we see in this show?

Posted: **Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:59 pm**

Oh Boo Hoo !

Their world without electricity is not the world you imagined

The last episode was better. The show may be finding its' feet.

Moi

Posted: **Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:27 am**

BossTamsin (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:51 am Having just watched the most recent episode, I'm gonna add in a couple other gripes...

For a society that seems to be completely unable to muster enough engineers (of both stripes) to get one steam engine going in 15 years, they sure seem to have managed to assemble quite the stable of other professions which are, as far as I know, quite a bit more endangered in modern times.

There sure are a LOT of horses. Seriously. For just 15 years from now, there is one hell of a lot of horse power going around this militia-controlled area. Great breeding!

Amazing how there are enough farriers to go around tending to all these horses, right?

Speaking of horses and farriers, one can only assume there's been a sudden upswing in the amount of blacksmiths to forge the horseshoes needed to shod all them horses.

Although, with so many blacksmiths, how are they heating all those forges? Can't use gas, doubt there's enough coal readily available, so they must be using massive amounts of charcoal.

There must be an even larger number of loggers out there, although we have yet to see sight of them, and people who are good at turning wood into charcoal to keep those forges hot.

Since you've got those forges hot, might as well drum up some people that know how to fabricate muskets, and keep them repaired and in good working order. I know there's a dozen people locally who can do that right now, aren't there?

Last, bowyers and fletchers. This must be a huge growth industry these days. Especially if they can make crossbows and bolts. We've seen enough of both that there's gotta be a number of them out there.

So, have I missed any of the huge new talent pools that lie in the fringes of the show, invisible but assumed to exist? I mean... barely enough technical expertise to get ONE train working in 15 years, but somehow enough of these even more 'fringe' knowledge sets survive to populate the world we see in this show?

Charcoal? Most blacksmiths prefer coke; it burns hotter and cleaner.

Posted: **Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:03 am**

gareth19 (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:27 am Charcoal? Most blacksmiths prefer coke; it burns hotter and cleaner.

See, that's what I figured too, only to me the questions just get bigger when you start to try and think about where they're getting the coke from. At least trees you can get locally. Coke, you have to strip-mine and transport coal cross-country via horse & buggy. Then you have to treat it to turn it into coke. I'd imagine (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that many/most of the current 'modern' mines require constant electricity, if for nothing else than keeping air circulating. And most of the current plants for processing coal into coke similarly require electricity. (This is another guess.) I'll stop there. My head hurts.

Plus, and I hope there's a train aficionado here to help, if they'd had ready access to coal/coke for blacksmithing all those horseshoes, etc, wouldn't they have used it for the train, rather than the car full of wood? (I honestly don't know, were there specific 'wood-only' steam engines or could you work them with any combination of wood/coal/coke/etc so long as it burned?)

I just don't know. I feel like someone who saw a thread sticking out of their new shirt and started pulling, only to find their entire outfit falling apart. And don't even get me started on the most recent episode.

Posted: **Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:56 pm**

BossTamsin (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:03 am Plus, and I hope there's a train aficionado here to help, if they'd had ready access to coal/coke for blacksmithing all those horseshoes, etc, wouldn't they have used it for the train, rather than the car full of wood? (I honestly don't know, were there specific 'wood-only' steam engines or could you work them with any combination of wood/coal/coke/etc so long as it burned?)

I am in no way an expert, but I can not see anything preventing using the wood for fuel of steam engine. Except that coal has about twice more energy in it than wood. And coke is even more efficient per kilogram.

What surprises me more, is that: steam engine is not the only type of engine which will work without electricity. At least there were diesel and stirling. Both work without electricity, stirling works on any heat source.

But TV, science and logic are unrelated.

Posted: **Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:24 pm**

Just decided to start watching this not a minute in and i hear:

"We still don't know why the power went out but we are hopeful that someone will come and light the way"

15 years and still waiting on someone to save him?

/face-palm anyone who lived that long after such an event wouldn't be waiting for a hero.

Ill add to this post as I get further in,

I like the leopro or bennet crossbow, no way in hell it would last 15 years tho.

Might be better if I turned of the sound the dialogue makes me want to cry.

25 minutes in, I had hoped the fat guy wasn't going to survive the first episode, the only black guy is to important to kill so hes the logical first death anyway. My thoughts about his character confirmed when the idiot hands over the medallion that can turn the power back on. that is the usb thingy you guys were talking about?

41 minutes in Power symbol on the book is kinda cool.

"That man is catholic a priest!"

"Oh so you are not his type"

I'm not a fan of picking on Catholics but that was funny.

9 shots from a Remington 700 with no reloading, why oh why does Hollywood always get it wrong.

15 years later and somehow they have a roll of duct tape, not an almost gone roll mind you a full roll.

Marines who left their barracks due to the end of the world take only pistols with them. Anyone else have a problem with this?

Bullets are rare, they can't even make them anymore but they can make percussion caps for muskets. Wow.

The swords and the muskets carried by the militia are uniform implying a standardized manufacturing process, yet the same folks who can make them can't make a shell never mind get a diesel engine working.

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