Yoda, could you tell us more about your female shrink? You said she was very understanding and that's been my experience with the few female shrinks I've seen. I think they're more understanding and compassionate for several reasons. One, they don't have penises and so I think they can somehow relate emotionally to not wanting one or wanting to get rid of one. Secondly, most women don't worship penises and a lot of older women seem to dislike them. Well, I'm just curious about what your shrink.

Hash (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:33 pm Yoda, could you tell us more about your female shrink? You said she was very understanding and that's been my experience with the few female shrinks I've seen. I think they're more understanding and compassionate for several reasons. One, they don't have penises and so I think they can somehow relate emotionally to not wanting one or wanting to get rid of one. Secondly, most women don't worship penises and a lot of older women seem to dislike them. Well, I'm just curious about what your shrink.

Hi Hash, you know, I think there are several reasons:

1) She is employed by the hospital as a link between the doctors and patients. I told her that the docs DON'T listen to my desires and requests. (Off the record, she told me that Doctors are idiots not listening to patients. They are only interested in their narrow minded prognosis) I told her that here in South Africa we have a right to accept or refuse treatments and that I will report that hospital to our minister of health. She called meetings with the docs (Uro and plastic surgeon) and explained my situation to the as well as giving her diagnosis of my mental state etc.

2) Here in South Africa, women are VERY sympathetic towards gay and lesbian people, especially shrinks. I explained to her how I tortured my penis from I was 8 years old and that I did not want it. I told her that I was asexual. She really understood.

3) I'm not certain for sure, but she looks VERY male like to me (short hair, t-shirt, male like mannerisms etc.). She could be lesbian, which helped my situation.

4) We have two areas in Cape Town, the Northern Suburbs (mainly Afrikaans people) and Southern Suburbs (mainly English). I'm Afrikaans and used to go to the Northern Suburbs hospitals. Afrikaans people are very orthodox about certain things (Much like Texans). I moved to the Southern Suburbs and went to an 'English' hospital. THAT hospital do a lot of SRS operations and this shrink work with these people and recommends this plastic surgeon (He does the sex change ops) to do the operation, or not. I think she could see that I was very adamant to be asexual. I told her that I'm going to penectomize myself which led her to recommend to operation.

This is the kind of shrink one needs. She understands our needs to transform into the sexual id we so desperately want.

Regards

Thanks Yoda, it sounds as though some people are beginning to understand that some men just don't want to have penises or genitalia. Perhaps in the future a simple diagnosis of asexuality will be all that's needed to have your male parts removed. Please keep us updated on your progress. I've always wondered what the Apostle Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was and I think it was the constant sexual thoughts and desires he battled, otherwise he would have clearly stated what the thorn was. I think Romans 7:14-24 helps me to understand his struggle and my struggles. "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do....the evil I do not want - this I keep on doing"

Hash (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:31 am Thanks Yoda, it sounds as though some people are beginning to understand that some men just don't want to have penises or genitalia. Perhaps in the future a simple diagnosis of asexuality will be all that's needed to have your male parts removed. Please keep us updated on your progress. I've always wondered what the Apostle Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was and I think it was the constant sexual thoughts and desires he battled, otherwise he would have clearly stated what the thorn was. I think Romans 7:14-24 helps me to understand his struggle and my struggles. "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do....the evil I do not want - this I keep on doing"

BLESS YOU HASH!!!! I've been ridiculed for ever for suggesting the same thing about St. Paul. Others say it was his eyes that troubled him but deep inside me I knew it was sexual lust. Does he not ask somewhere "Am I not also to marry like those Super Apostles?"

I wonder if he ever castrated himself. I know some Church Leaders after his time did.

Keep Well!

Yes, one of the early Church fathers, Origen, was a eunuch, who had castrated himself

Hash (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:31 am Thanks Yoda, it sounds as though some people are beginning to understand that some men just don't want to have penises or genitalia. Perhaps in the future a simple diagnosis of asexuality will be all that's needed to have your male parts removed.

That would require someone in addition to Messrs. Johnson and Wassersug to conduct and document scientific and psychological research in the eunuch / asexual community. After six revisions of the WPATH Standards of Care (greatly outdated, last updated in 2001) it still requires two referral letters and a willing surgeon to receive simple bilateral orchiectomy for someone diagnosed as transgender and/or transsexual with GID.

Hash (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:31 am Thanks Yoda, it sounds as though some people are beginning to understand that some men just don't want to have penises or genitalia. Perhaps in the future a simple diagnosis of asexuality will be all that's needed to have your male parts removed.

It is being worked on in a lot of places in a number of ways. But nothing like this happens overnight.

Yoda, would you say that you've followed the teaching in Matthew 19:12? "For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” Are you one that has accepted it? I know that a great many Bible Scholars downplay this teaching, stating that it's not about getting physically castrated or being castrated, that's it's about singleness or not marrying, but I believe it's a more literal teaching. In fact, staying single and living like a eunuch is so much more difficult for the majority of men, that I have to believe that being castrated was an important, in not necessary step in order to actually live like a eunuch for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.

kristoff wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:55 pm It is being worked on in a lot of places in a number of ways. But nothing like this happens overnight.

Normaly takes a century or two to get things like this done, or is it jus a case of it seems like that.

Hash (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:29 am Yoda, would you say that you've followed the teaching in Matthew 19:12? "For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” Are you one that has accepted it? I know that a great many Bible Scholars downplay this teaching, stating that it's not about getting physically castrated or being castrated, that's it's about singleness or not marrying, but I believe it's a more literal teaching. In fact, staying single and living like a eunuch is so much more difficult for the majority of men, that I have to believe that being castrated was an important, in not necessary step in order to actually live like a eunuch for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.

Hi Hash, yes, that verse played an important part in my decision. I know that gift was given to me.

I know there are many who downplay that verse. I have a gay brother who says that being gay is also an eunuch and that that verse applies to him as well. I don't agree with him.

I take the literal meaning. An eunuch, by definition, is a castrated male. Not so? It is not a single person. Let's look at the verse:

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Hash (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:29 am For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others...

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How can you be single being made so by others or being born that way.

Those scholars and others who corrupts this verse are all unable to discern the WAY of the Holy Spirit; corrupting others, unfortunately.

I believe that only those whom it's been given will understand the true nature of that verse and accept it.

Being single is also relevant in a way. The disciples asked Jesus about divorce which for Jesus was totally unacceptable. (Moses allowed it). St. Paul writes somewhere that while being divorced one must not marry while your partner is still alive or you'll live in a state of adultery. Now you are SINGLE and not able to have legal sex. (Jesus says that looking at a woman in lust is adultery) Becoming an eunuch is a wonderful way to get rid of all those sexual lusts, sleeping with many partners, masturbating etc. This is the way the Essenes lived. There are those that believe that many, if not all, Essenes were eunuchs.

But this only apply to Christians. Non-Christians do not adhere to Jesus' teachings and marry many times or sleep with many partners; dishonoring their own bodies.

Hope it goes well with you and that you will prosper in health, wealth and good fortune.

Peace :-\