""The director of the Russia's Pulkova Observatory, Doctor Scientist Habibullo Abdusamatov, has further blamed this ‘Superstorm’ on the what he says was the ‘massive electrical imbalance’ created by the ‘interaction’ of the ‘Red Cow Comet’, currently transversing our inner Solar System, and our Sun, and which on January 15th caused a massive Solar Flare on the far side of our Sun."" of Jan 21 reported by SF...N3RF

I would also like to say thank you to Bagoas. I certainly do not dispute the facts that you present - some of them i may value a bit different maybe, depending on how you mean (maybe that were the points where you were a bit vague). But over all, I agree with your point.

Even though some people dispute the suns influence on weather and climate - in order to support the thesis that mankind is repsonsible for ALL of the global warming - there are, as i know of, extensive proof in C14-fluctuations through the ages. That is an effect of the varying influx of charges particles.

Bagoas (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:20 am Thank you, N3RF. It's good to know that I have succeeded in communicating. I had feared that I might have been too technical for some readers.

Bagoas,

Tell me more about the ions presumably, negatively charged electrons, or ions of the nuclei of the elements that you mentioned. I was under the impression that water vapor in the atomsphere condensed around larger particles.

Also, weather depends on the ozone layer. From your point of view, is the depletion of the ozone layer a result of the reduction in cosmic radiations from the sun that you sited in an earlier post?

Since the ozone layer is reduced, might it not be as much of a factor because of the reduction in the U-V radiation, particuarlly the Ultraviolet radiation-induced melanogenesis in human melanocytes. (http://jcs.biologists.org/cgi/content/a ... 107/9/2591)

This, if true, negates many studies that cite the long-term effect of ultra-violet radiation on animal life on the Earth. (http://ethesis.helsinki.fi/julkaisut/bi ... fectof.pdf)

This would also tend to suggest that cancer rates could be the result of dietary concerns (http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/cesium.html), rather than the enviromentalist entertained theory that attributes the increase in such cancers to the release of chemicals from the consumption of fossil fuels.

Your statements indicate to me that you are well-aquainted with the most recent studies such as this one (http://www.aero.jussieu.fr/~sparc/SPARC ... _Ozone.htm) which concludes that...

We have studied the relationship between the interannual variability of climatic and chemical variables based on mapping the normalized eigenvalues of the first mode of their variability. We have shown that the eigenvalue maps (EVMs) allow comparison of the simulated and observed pressure-time distributions of the relative contribution of the first mode to the interannual variability. The EVMs also allow the determination of the change in the contribution of the first mode due to changes in boundary conditions at the top and bottom of the atmosphere.

From the comparison of the ACTM simulations that have no feedback on climate with the coupled climate/chemistry simulations we conclude that the former gives a greater contribution of the first mode for the ozone variability. From the coupled climate/chemistry simulations we have learned that in the upper stratosphere in January within 50°N-90°N, an increase in the input of solar radiation intensifies the relationship between the variabilities of the climatic and chemical variables.

Before any out there with distinct political leanings to the left get all upset over this, because it would tend to support the statements of the political right, think it over carefully.

We do not want to make a lot of sacrifices in the name of humanity that will do nothing to help humanity. Otherwise, we are reduced to the the tendancies of the religious fundamentalist, believing in that for which we have no proof or believing in that for which obvious contradictory evidence exists.

Could all of the ruckous over the release of hydrofluorocarbons into the atmosphere just be a bunch of hooey? Did we enforce a change on the refrigeration industry for nothing?

Thanks, Bagos, for bringing my attention to things that I have not noticed previously.

Well Guys:

I have my own theory for global warming as follows:

1. There is no question that over the milllions of year prior to the emergence of human being there were much wilder variations in the earths temperature than appear to be occurring now.

2. A similar history is aparent from the ice cores (100,000 years) and from recorded history (a measly few thousand years) out of several billions.

3. We are not seeing wild excesses. There were much wilder excesses in the past geologic record so why do we think that we are having any effect on global climate from our rather puny efforts.

4. Some of the effects reported to be changes in sealevel in some island nations are in fact the subsidence of the seabed below.

5. I have therefore concluded that we are reverting to the beliefs held in times of paganism and total ignorance of science. i.e. that human behaviour must have somehow made the Gods angry and we must therefore carry out sacrifices to placate them.

6. In the old days we slaughtered various innocents on altars and threw maidens into volcanoes Today we are being advised to slaughter modern industry and all the civilisation that we have developed on the same altar of ignorance.

Oh, by the way, I wish that global warming was true My house would become waterfront property (for a while ) and worth heaps more than it is now Sad to say it isn't going to come to pass {:o((((((

n3rf (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:08 am Yes Sapient and all. The topic of "things" causing our Sun to burp is the reality we watch on a daily basis and it does affect our weather, like right now, a big blast of cold is coming down to New England and the cause is the flare our Sun produced when the Meteor went by. See again the jmccaneyscience.com I think he talks about it very well and shows a video observing the flare produced by the passage.

Like slammer sais : the sky is falling etc but who really knows what goes on. Our best people on the job will tell us if we ask nicely - I would hope and pray. n3rf

Sorry wrong again, the big blast of cold is coming from the south, which is unusual as it normally comes out of the far north. Boston's latest was a storm that started in the State of Washington and traveled the entire country, I know, we were in the path. Sun spots or flares does cause problems, problems with communications all over the globe. The strange things happening with the weather is caused by the south China Spider Butterfly which only comes out every 37 years and that one butterfly when he flaps his little wings causes global warming.

River

stop you guys your killing me.

Slammr, so funny - thank you, thank you.

River

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:04 pm Sorry wrong again, the big blast of cold is coming from the south, which is unusual as it normally comes out of the far north. Boston's latest was a storm that started in the State of Washington and traveled the entire country, I know, we were in the path. Sun spots or flares does cause problems, problems with communications all over the globe. The strange things happening with the weather is caused by the south China Spider Butterfly which only comes out every 37 years and that one butterfly when he flaps his little wings causes global warming.

River

OH! I get it! Chaos Theory, Right?

River, if that butterfly causes all those problems just think how much we have caused with all of our posts here and all the virtual "jaw wagging" that goes on here on the Cellar and also on the political board.

Just think, if that butterfly would have landed on BinLaden and swatting at it he fell off of a mountain in 1986...

...so don't tell me that chaos theory doesn't work.

Like Flo says, you are making history this very moment...

Does God play dice? (http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html)

You betcha!