Before one jumps to any conclusion, he should read the whole thread. It's all been said, so there's no use repeating it.

As texmec says, from a historical perspective, a thirteen or fourteen year-old was not a child. He might go to war, wed, and have children. Why, when writing about history, should an author adhere to society's arbitrary current standard of it's only legal to have sex if one is eighteen years-old, or older?

Pueros probably knows more about ancient history than the rest of us combined. He writes about kids being castrated. Guess what, they were -- throughout history. Mainstream authors have written about kids being castrated and fucked. Should that not be mentioned because it might turn someone on?

Too, many people developed their castration fixations when they were going though puberty -- some even before. I think it's legitimate to write about those feelings and desires. For most people I believe, puberty is the most sexually intense period of their lives.

Most of my stories are tragedies. I can't think of a more tragic situation for a thirteen or fourteen year-old boy than for him to be castrated. Being castrated at that age would have changed my whole life. Being castrated now, would have little or no effect on my life.

An author can't be responsible for how someone reacts to his stories. Often I'm appalled at the response I get to some of my stories, taken aback that someone got off on a situation that I had presented to invoke sympathy for the victim.

A prerequisite for posting a story here is that someone has to lose some of his genitals. If one wishes to write about kids, that probably means that a kid has to get castrated. Because someone writes about it doesn't mean he wants to see any kid castrated or harmed in any way. In some cases an author might be working through his own childhood castration fantasies. Writing is often good therapy. If you write about your demons, they often lose much of their power over you.

I for one, wouldn't want to see any child hurt, much less castrated. Murder is also illegal, yet a story about a child being murdered wouldn't arouse as much debate as one about a child being castrated. As in elsewhere in our society, sex raises more ire than does murder.

I haven't seen any stories here about how anyone wants

mrt (imported) wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:44 am to line kids up and castrate them.

If mrt has read any such stories, would he please point them out to us? That would be a turn-off for me, too. I would like to see any such stories removed from the Archive; but I don't think any such story would have made it past Paolo in the first place.

Before we have any more knee jerk reactions to this thread, read the whole thread. As I said, it's all been said in previous posts. Stories about minors are labeled as such. No one that objects to such stories need read them.

Slammr (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:01 pm In the stories I write about a kid being castrated, I'm ALWAYS writing from the kid's point of view. My sympathy is with him, not with the person abusing him. Too, they are fantasies. I would not see any child harmed for any reason.

Though I haven't been writing about castration, my stories are about a kid whose testicles are constantly being abused. And all the stories in the same way written from the kid's point of view, which is totally based on my one childhood feelings...

I’ve said this before in this thread but I’m happy to repeat it! Throughout history far more boys than men have been castrated and forcibly too, and so any proper archive of stories about eunuchs should reflect these facts.

Also, what do the following famous men of ancient times, named in approximate chronological order, have in common:-

Orpheus, Minos, Achilles, Lycurgus, Sophocles, Euripides, Solon, Polycrates, Ibycus, Anacreon, Callimarchus, Apollinius of Rhodes, Theocritus, Phanocles, Themistocles, Aristides, Hieron, Aeschylus, Simonides, Bacchylides, Pindar, Pausanias of Sparta, Alcibides, Socrates, Lysias, Plato, Aristippus, Aristotle, Critias, Agesilaos, Epaminondas, Philip II of Macedonia, Alexander the Great, Antigonus, Demosthenes, Aeschines, Demetrius Phalereus, Cyrus the Great, Darius the Great, Xerxes and their successor Persian kings, most of the 13 King Ptolemies of Egypt, Cleomenes III of Sparta, Cicero, Catullus, Virgil, Julius Caesar, Mark Antony, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Titus, Domitian, Trajan, Hadrian and many other later Roman Emperors?

The answer is that, in an era when people possessed a more liberal attitude to sexuality, they were all known to have had sex with boys.

The ancients in most societies believed that humans were inherently bisexual, albeit to varying degrees, and that the attraction of many men towards boys was as natural as a liking for women. Hence, for example, the Greek acceptance of pederastic pedagogy as a cultural institution in which the younger voluntary partners were seen to have much to gain in terms of development into personal and sexual maturity, as well as material and social advantage.

The prevailing attitude was also encompassed in religion and astrology, such as in the myth about Zeus’ abduction and molestation of Ganymede and the paramount god’s placement of the figure of his beautiful cup-bearer in the stars as the constellation of Aquarius, the water carrier. Essentially the tale was religious sanction for having sex with a boy.

As a consequence of such acceptance in ancient society of pederasty, boys voluntarily involved in relevant relationships appear to have grown up without any guilt or resultant psychological troubles relating to such affairs.

In modern times, however, moral attitudes are rooted in the success in gaining world ascendancy of the essentially homophobic Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Consequently, what is now termed paedophilia has become abhorrent taboo, although differently according to country. The variance in national attitudes was recently exemplified when much horror was expressed in the USA about a woman seducing a 15 year-old boy. However, such a relationship would be entirely legal in many other nations where the age of sexual consent is lower.

What are the correct sexual perspectives? That of ancient times or that of the modern era and, if the latter, that, in terms of the question of age of consent, of the USA or Japan?

I believe that some consideration should be given to such issues and I attempt to do so in my many of my stories, all of which try to make moral points, even if they’re not superficially obvious.

PUEROS

Hey all

Stories are merely conduits for fantasies, if writers such as slammr and pueros only wrote one chapter of a story and it got 5000 hits that might be considered a one of, but when chapter 25 is still getting 5000 hits then clearly its not only the authors fantasy.

In terms of the topic as such, writing erotic fantasy stories about children being castrated. Well I can’t speak for others but my sexual awakening happened at age 13, and I have to say at age 13 one of my strongest sexual fantasies was of the neighbors dog ripping my nuts off! Pretty weird hey? But I am being honest about that darkest corners of my adolescent mind, are you? Did I or do I want the neighbors dog to rip my nuts off? NO WAY, it was then and remains now, a fantasy.

EA authors did not create this topic they simply articulate it in their stories, in my case as I mentioned above it existed long before I even knew what a eunuch was, and by convention at 13 I was also a child. Castration is a primal and base emotion. An interesting parable is people that have fantasies about being eaten by wild animals, I can’t imagine that too many of them go on and leap over the fence at the zoo into the lions den? But isn’t interesting how many people will visit a crocodile farm to watch some underpaid assistant risk life and limb to feed a huge croc, I mean they could throw the food over the fence, but no he gets right up close and personal with the croc, if he didn’t no one would come to watch?

The vast majority of people can differentiate between reality and fantasy, those that cant had best not answer the doorbell as Freddy Kruger may well be standing on their porch, oiling his chain saw.

Damn chain saw wont start, I forgot to put two stroke oil in the fuel again, I hate it when that happens, just give me a moment will you, make a list of who should be decapitated first, while you wait…..

Callum

Callum (imported) wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:55 pm Hey all

Stories are merely conduits for fantasies, if writers such as slammr and pueros only wrote one chapter of a story and it got 5000 hits that might be considered a one of, but when chapter 25 is still getting 5000 hits then clearly its not only the authors fantasy.

In terms of the topic as such, writing erotic fantasy stories about children being castrated. Well I can’t speak for others but my sexual awakening happened at age 13, and I have to say at age 13 one of my strongest sexual fantasies was of the neighbors dog ripping my nuts off! Pretty weird hey? But I am being honest about that darkest corners of my adolescent mind, are you? Did I or do I want the neighbors dog to rip my nuts off? NO WAY, it was then and remains now, a fantasy.

Callum

I would suppose that when Callum writes such a story, he writes it from the perspective of the kid that's being castrated, playing out his fantasy that way. I know I do. That's why I write: to play out those fantasies. It's fun. I put myself into the story. While I'm writing it, I'm living the story as the kid, imagining what it would be like to be him. I NEVER write from the perspective of "I'd like to castrate a kid."

I don't think anytime in my life ever had more impact on me that when I was fourteen -- late, I know -- and discovered what my dick was for the first time. I don't know that I ever went a day without masturbating the first year I learned how to do it. Hell, I even masturbated in the backseat of the car, with my mom and dad in the front seat during a trip once. I couldn't leave that sucker alone.

At no other time in my life, did my cock -- my balls by association -- mean so much to me. That's what I try to recapture. That's why so many of my stories are about newly pubescent kids. Unlike Callum, I didn't think about castration or fantasize being castrated at the time. Instead, I write from the perspective of, "My god, what if I had been castrated? Could there have been a worse catastrophe, if it had happened to me then?

Sexual awakening is SO powerful to many kids. It was like night and day for me. One day all I used my dick for was to piss. The next day I discovered it had another use entirely. Even today, since I went through puberty at eleven, I wish I'd learned to jack off sooner. Up until that day at fourteen, I didn't know how to do it. Unbelievable today, of course, but that was before the Internet and R-rated movies.

Although I can't relive those lost years physically, I can in my stories. I'm writing them for me, to turn myself on, by living those experiences, to relive

Slammr (imported) wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:07 pm the most sexually intense period of

my life.

For me, it's a tragedy for the kid in the story to get castrated, because while I'm writing the story, the kid is me. If it turns someone on for what some think is the wrong reason, that's not my responsibility. Ultimately, I'm writing the story for myself. I'm just sharing my fantasies with others.

No one has to read then that doesn't want to read them. My main point is that these are FANTASIES. No REAL kid has been hurt to produce any of them, and I wouldn't want to see any kid hurt. I love kids. I have grandsons and would see none of them hurt.

I, of course, write three types of story.

First, there's the fantasies, written from the same perspective as those of Slammr and Callum above.

Second, there's the historically factual stories, which I write because I believe that the archive should also record the lives of real eunuchs of the past.

Third, I write to challenge attidudes of various kinds that are currently prevalent, although sadly rarely does anyone bother to rise to my provocative bait. For example, I thought that my 'What I See Coming' would solicit fury from rightwingers but the silence was deafening.

PUEROS

I feel that many have expressed the fantasy as part of their own past and not as a fantasy of this being done to others for real.

The castration of youngsters as expressed by Yoli as a sexual fantasy that a perpetrator is longing to make reality is not prevalent here. I suspect that it may exist, but if you think that you are missing the point of this place.

Sadly, the sexual abuse of children, boys and girls, does exist and it is far more prevalent than we know because of the tendency of the child to protect the preditor by not reporting the abuse to an adult who will get something done about it.

All that a child has to do to stop a molester is to show up at a hospital E.R. and tell their story to an E.R. admitting clerk and by law an investigation MUST ensue. If physical evidence is present, a prosecution for molestation WILL result. CSI is a good program for kids to watch. This lays down the basic method for capture of physical evidence, even if it is at times a raging fantasy.

Sadly, what happens is that children kep it as a "secret" and maybe they tell a close friend, but maybe not. The only way that it can be stopped is for a competent adult to recognize it and stop it, because so many times during the molestation a child has emotional attachments or elements of fear regarding a preditor and this will protect the preditor. I know of a case where a little girl confided in her boyfriend everytime her stepfather molested her and nothing was done, and the step-father ended up killing both her and her little sister.

The abuse of boys affects men in that they carry this history with them as a personal or family secret. All sorts of psychiatric abborations can rise from this, not the least of which is the tendency to become a preditor. In the case of fathers killing their sons, who can say what the motive actually may have been?

In the victim, the castration becomes an escape, of sorts, but then the thoughts of it can become a fixation that is carried life-long. Sometimes as an adult it can be projected to children. That is when the trouble starts and the molestation can jump into reality. Hopefully, this place provides an outlet so that the fantasy can remain just that, a fantasy.

Sometimes the incidents of childhood are repressed from active memory. The result for such folks as adults is that places like this hold a fascination for them and they really don't know why.

A-1

Gerslave (imported) wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:34 am Sure - castrating male kids is against law and moral of a sane society. But nowadays our societies are turning into a female dominating ruling. And it's true that typical male attitudes will not be tolerated by such a supra-feministic society. Castrating and murdering is a normal part of this "government"!

Several years ago I have written a story (Brave New World), in which no respect for male life and male kids is quite normal; perhaps this will happen in the near future.

I can understand the erotic and psychological desires that may motivate one to seek this as a future, but I disagree that it is a likely future. I do not disagree with your observation that things are in motion towards this end, but I sincerely wish to believe that we have learned from our history. This is probably juvenile and naive of me, especially with a significant minority of men welcoming their new Female Overlords.

If we do go down this road towards a matriarchal society aren't we likely to find similar pitfalls? Are we better off trading one imbalance for another?

Though to be honest I think nature is in your corner on this. We can find many balances; sometimes the balance calls for passive submission and sometimes dictates brutal dominance. As the earth's gravity holds the moon as a slave, the earth's children have become dependant on the moon just as much as they are their mother. The slave's relationship is now one of necessity and is nearly symbiotic, as the mother desperately clings to maintain their bond.

Remember though that we are evolved beyond our mere nature or even as nature intended. Would maternal instinct in a matriarchal society deem to hold men as domestic pets? Clinging as tightly as they can so as to provide a stable environment for their children? In this tight embrace would the limitations placed on man have detrimental consequence? My hunch says that if we limit ourselves as a species in any way we limit with it our progress. If we make our back legs walk chained while we leave our front free, we are still trammeled.

To the original subject matter of fictional stories in which children are castrated: I feel there is no harm in exploring any fiction; unless we fail to recognize fiction’s place in our already factiously subjective view of reality.

From C van D

There seems to be an awful lot of flak flying around on this topic. As the author of the "Simon" series - which opens with a perfectly healthy young boy getting neutered, it seems I ought to make some comment.

First of all, though, the society in which Simon lives is a fictional society in which the castration of normal healthy boys is part of the culture, and I repeat- it's fictional.

So why do I find it interesting? Because it nearly became part of my own life, aged 11.

At the extremely old fashioned school I attended, cricket practice was the rule on 3 afternoons a week. Now a cricket ball is a dangerous missile, but none of us wore "boxes" - our genitals were considered too small to matter! But then one afternoon a low-hard catch got me full in the groin and I was helped off the field screaming.

For some days afterwards it was thought I'd ruptured both testicles. My scrotum filled up with fluid and had to be drained off. The doctors were quite blunt about matters: to avoid septicaemia (which might have killed me) both my testicles ought to come out!

My mother broke the news gently explaining "Afterwards you'll always be a plump little boy, your voice will never change, and you'll never be able to get married or have children".

Letting it sink in she went on "You won't be alone. There are many countries in the world where, if a princess wants a pretty page, she chooses a little boy and they take him to the doctor to have his little 'balls' taken out, so that he'll never be able to 'do it'.

This conversation has remained with me all my life. By the way I'm still intact!

C van D

A remarkable story, one which speaks powerfully and directly to the sort of motivation that is being discussed here. I suspect that there are few writers that are latent abusers and many that have something in their past, even without conscious awareness, that creates a desire to explore the subject as fiction. --FLO--