JesusA (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:13 pm Kevin Hsu is potentially a valuable academic research person who needs to be cultivated by providing him with good and valid information so that he's willing to return with his next project. Hopefully, a project well-informed by the data he collects on his first attempt. Provide good data. Provide helpful feedback to move Kevin in a useful direction.

That's why after my initial vitriolic reaction, I came back to the middle, then the 3rd time wrote a more reasoned response. It was a poorly crafted survey. I know nobody likes their work crapped on, but that is what the survey was.

While I understand there will certainly be questions about sexual activity in surveys that legitimately seek answers to who castrated/penectomized/nullified men are, what makes them tick, and how best to help them, I would believe the best way to go about it is from the mechanical side of things and life experience generally, FIRST and not the sexual aspects out of the gate. This survey came across, at least to me, as being nothing more than a sexual pursuit by the author. I felt it didn't do much of anything to get at who eunuchs are or their marginalization in society. I would speculate the vast majority are gay (or maybe that's wishful thinking on my part, being gay myself...). I would speculate the vast majority (at least the truly MtE folks) had an early age onset of the desire.

He needs to come at this from that direction. Questions like, "At what age did the desire to become a eunuch manifest itself?" instead of, "Do you fantasize about being a eunuch?" I think would be better to start off with. If online, use the radio button selectors and offer age bands, I think maybe in typical marketing age demographics, and subsets. Overall, the survey offered focused too much on sexual activity. I like fucking and all that as much as the next person, but my drive to be nullified didn't come from sex. It came from a dysphoric view of my own body, especially those bits of flesh which used to be on my body between my legs.

I encourage this young man to rescind this particular version of his survey, go back and rework it from a more mechanical/conversational point of view, then run it by his mentors (IE Jesus) before posting again. I'll give him that chance (and a pass for having put out this poor survey) if he goes back and does that.

--LT

A fine try, but I have to agree that it doesn't have much one might expect to answer a precisely framed question. (What question?)

It might be aimed to test a null hypothesis, but it is hard to discern what that might be.

Or it might be designed to scoop up and tabulate data for comparison, in which case it might be expected to be precisely laid out and validated for authenticity of answers.

I commend the effort, but it needs a lot more clarity of thought before it's ready. I must add that it surprises me that an IRB gave it the go-ahead in the present form.

Please polish it up, make it ready for prime time and make the most of this rare opportunity.

Rare for the researcher to have access to this group, and rare for this group to have a chance at being better understood.

To be fair to Kevin I wonder how well any of us, even those who are academic, would write a survey for the ‘Adult Baby/Diaper lovers’?

I’d have no idea what are the right questions to ask, and would probably get roasted as a result!

daifu-orchid (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:18 pm I must add that it surprises me that an IRB gave it the go-ahead in the present form.

As an academic myself, I have experience with IRB protocols. They don't typically critique a survey like this. Their role is to assure as much as possible that no harm will come to the subjects, including keeping their responses confidential. The study itself can be badly flawed, but most funded projects went through peer review by a panel of experts in the discipline who evaluate the specifics of the science.

I stopped taking the survey part way through because I felt I'd already spent more time taking it than I had and the progress bar was only about 20% done. I'm generally skeptical of surveys and wonder about the quality of the data if the participants become annoyed by its length and its flaws. As for the survey itself, I agree with others who point out that it doesn't sample much about anything about those of us who are motivated primarily by a desire to be rid of our sexuality. I think this is the aspect of this community that most needs to be presented to the general public. I'd gladly answer a survey that led to truly enlightening publications of this sort. Some of us here are sexual and remain so after castration, others not so much or not at all.

Thank you Paolo for your remarks to PetJohan. After the many years of university to acquire my EE I often asked myself the question at to why many of the so called professors I endured lectures from did not go into politics instead. That was their true calling. After all, our universities should be teaching our youth how to learn not what to learn. The great fallacy of modern higher learning.

This PetJohan needed to be put in his place and your response to him is exactly why I support this site. Please PM me once again on where to send a paypal donation to help continue this site as I have lost the link I used before.

While our youth often make many mistakes along their journey as this student did in the way he framed his survey I applaud the effort. Perhaps his survey will be changed in the future to be one more accurately seeking data on the eunuch community rather than data to support a preconceived conclusion. Let us hope so because we need our youth to lead us into a brighter future.

I’ve completed the survey.

To be fair once I got past the ‘are you a pedophile?’ or ‘interested in small furry animals?’ bit, it wasn’t too bad. I’m quite glad that I had a couple of false starts as I then spent more time on giving detailed written answers where appropriate.

Though I do feel like I’ve just had to repeat until I’m blue in the face that I don’t find castration arousing!

(Frankly now I’m on Androcur I don’t find anything sexually arousing - honestly I’m more interested in eating cake..!)

One must consider that those on the panel who reviewed the topic and survey for research likely have no knowledge or experience as a eunuch or eunuch wannabe. It is a forum like this with both positive and negative comments that will lead to more targeted research surveys. The greatest challenge I see is such a diverse universe of persons from whom to survey is so small.

notsomanly (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:03 am As an academic myself, I have experience with IRB protocols. They don't typically critique a survey like this. Their role is to assure as much as possible that no harm will come to the subjects, including keeping their responses confidential. The study itself can be badly flawed, but most funded projects went through peer review by a panel of experts in the discipline who evaluate the specifics of the science.

I stopped taking the survey part way through because I felt I'd already spent more time taking it than I had and the progress bar was only about 20% done. I'm generally skeptical of surveys and wonder about the quality of the data if the participants become annoyed by its length and its flaws. As for the survey itself, I agree with others who point out that it doesn't sample much about anything about those of us who are motivated primarily by a desire to be rid of our sexuality. I think this is the aspect of this community that most needs to be presented to the general public. I'd gladly answer a survey that led to truly enlightening publications of this sort. Some of us here are sexual and remain so after castration, others not so much or not at all.

Thank you sincerely to everyone who has participated in the survey and in this thread. I have especially valued the honest criticism that many of you have provided and the space here for everyone to voice their thoughts openly. It will be important for my work in this area, and for any future work in

sexualitylab (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:51 am studying eunuchs and eunuch wannabes.

Hey Jesus, When can we expect to see results? Took the test. Some good questions and insight and some ver odd questions. I wonder what the association to autism and Asperger and eunuch or castration.

Paolo; you go girl!