I second that. If you are going to do a castration, go someplace else. Like say, a motel room.

I'm sure there are still places around that will take cash & rent to "Mr.Smith".... just be careful not to leave a mess, as they may not appreciate trying to get bloodstains out of the linen.

IEunuch.

BossTamsin (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2002 3:27 pm I second that. If you are going to do a castration, go someplace else. Like say, a motel room.

I'm sure there are still places around that will take cash & rent to "Mr.Smith".... just be careful not to leave a mess, as they may not appreciate trying to get bloodstains out of the linen.

Agreed, Motels are a good place, and make sure you bring lots of plastic drop cloths. :tongueout

However it is still recommended that you see a professional doctor than finding an underground cutter.

Right IEunuch,

But the person being cut can rent the room in his name; he is not doing anything wrong. I would also suggest a plastic tarp and bring your own linen so it can be disposed of later. The best part is if something does go wrong, the cutter leaves, 10 min later the person who was just cut puts in the call to 911. that is if its really bad the person can't get himself to the hospital.

Just a thought.

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 20, 2002 3:25 pm Riverwind

Remember have fun and play safe

Article was was out of Newsweek (http://www.newsweek.com)

Original Article (http://www.msnbc.com/news/771716.asp)

The Unkindest Cut

Our columnist gets the low-down on an unlikely fetish: male castration

June 24, 2002 - NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE

Have you been following that castration story out of Detroit? The details of this amazing story sound like the set-up to an old “guy-goes-into-a-bar” joke: A guy goes into a suburban ranch home outside of Detroit and has his testicles cut off.

AFTER THE OPERATION, he and the “doctor” share a few laughs over a slice of pie. Laughter may be good for the soul, but it’s not good for a man’s surgically scythed scrotum, so the guy starts bleeding uncontrollably. Unable to stanch the flow, the “doctor” calls 911. The cops get there and send the 48-year-old patient to get patched up in a real hospital. Meanwhile, the “doctor,” a 29-year-old Taiwanese man who said he learned the procedure from his genuine doctor parents, tells police that he can’t imagine why the operation went awry—after all, he’s done fifty of ‘em!

Sure enough, a pair of testicles—and not the 48-year-old’s—was found

luvpain (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:58 pm in a Tupperware container in the

doctor’s refrigerator (a product endorsement that the company could have lived without). The “doctor” said the testicles belonged to an earlier customer, whose genital liberation had been performed in the back of a mini-van.

I can’t possibly be the only person thinking, “What the hell is going on in suburban Detroit?!”

The “doctor” hasn’t been charged with a crime because, apparently, it’s not illegal in the state of Michigan to remove the testicles of an adult who wishes to have his testicles removed (more on such people later). The local prosecutor’s office

luvpain (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2002 2:51 am doesn’t even know whether the “doctor” c

an be cited for practicing medicine without a license.

“It’s been, as

luvpain (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2002 2:51 am we say, ‘furthered for more inves

tigation,’” Deb Carley of the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office told me. (More investigation? A pair of testicles were found in Tupperware. The only thing I’d need to investigate is why I have a sudden aversion to leftovers.)

The police inquiry did reveal that the Taiwanese “doctor” has overstayed his stude

luvpain (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2002 2:51 am nt visa by a full year. That information, cops told me, has been tu

rned over to the Immigration and Naturalization Service (which, no doubt, will soon be sending him his pilot’s license).

If you find yourself befuddled by this Testicles-in-a-Tupperware story, you may have a job awaiting you at the Oak Park Police Department.

“I don’t think anyone is aware that this kind of thing is going on,” said Lt. Bruce Smith, a spokesman for the suburban Detroit department. “But there are some people who are into this kind of ... well, I don’t even know what you’d call it. They want their equipment off for some reason.”

The Oak Park investigation turned up dozens of chat rooms where men—including the “victim” in this case—discuss their desire to be castrated. My own investigation found that would-be castrati are using the Internet in ways never envisioned by the inventors of the World Wide Web.

Like Lt. Smith, I had a difficult time separating the certifiable nut cases from the nut cases who had legitimate reasons for wanting to no longer be legitimate men. And the Internet sites were no help. One Yahoo! chat group, Neuteredmenandwannabes, informed me that, “Some women and some men want their slaves without testicles.” Another claimed that “Castration isn’t birth control; it’s life control.” A third site claimed that the Bible supports testicular subtraction. Subsequently, I can’t read Matthew 19:12—”eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake”—without crossing my legs.

Later, though, I stumbled onto Eunuch.org (doesn’t it sound so much more credible than that IPO-seeking Eunuch.com?) and other web support groups where castrated men and those who wish to join their ranks can compare notes and fetishes. (Full disclosure? I tried to contact some of these men, but access to most of these Web sites are denied to the non-castrated. Despite my editor’s pressure, I decided that there’s a limit to how far I was willing to go on this story.)

But my journalistic curiosity—and my readers’ right to know—could not be satisfied by mere web-surfing, so I made a few calls and discovered quite quickly that there’s a lot of really weird stuff going on out there. The “Kevorkian of Castration” in Oak Park is just the beginning.

“I couldn’t believe it when I heard the police say it’s ‘incomprehensible,’ because it’s not,” said Gary Taylor, a Shakespearean scholar at the University of Alabama who wrote “Castration: An Abbreviated History of Western Manhood,” a cutting social history of, well, cutting.

Taylor’s book reminds us that eunuchs often held great power throughout history. Poor Chinese peasants, for example, would castrate a son in hopes of landing him a well-paying job in the Forbidden City. And in the 16th century, young boys were castrated to ensure them work as angel-voiced singers. But that type of social climbing is ancient history, so I called Dr. Felix Spector. You don’t know Felix Spector? Well, obviously you’ve never shopped for a castration.

Felix Spector is to castration what Henry Ford was to the automobile. Recently retired, Spector had a long career of castrating men, men who would’ve otherwise been rudely turned away, labeled “insane” or “crazy,” or referred into lengthy, traumatic and, let’s face it, expensive psychological counseling. Spector’s patients don’t have time for that kind of rigmarole. They want their castration done yesterday.

Spector didn’t want to talk—he claimed that the reporters willfully misunderstand the castration issue (who, us?)—but I managed to keep him on the phone long enough to get him to explain that most of his patients were “people who have a strong libido that’s out of control and they feel that castration will take care of it.”

I asked Spector what he thought of the Detroit case and he was dismissive. “That guy sounds like a ‘cutter’,” said the man who once charged $2,000 for the operation. “He sounds like a non-professional who is doing it just to make money as opposed to helping people.”

Helping people do what? Control their libidos? Isn’t that what Cinemax is for? Apparently too many men in this country don’t have premium cable.

Dr. Michael Brownstein cuts off men’s testicles for a living—as part of sex-change operations. “People contact me all the time to be castrated, but I refuse,” he said. Brownstein only castrates men who have undergone rigorous, pre-sex-change counseling (to make sure they can mentally handle it), hormone treatment (to make sure they can physically handle it) and, of course, a credit check. “If it’s an issue of libido control, there are medical means. If you ask me, there’s something else going on here.”

Gee, really? Back in Oak Park, the cops don’t know what to think.

“We don’t even know what to call this guy,” Lt. Smith said of the castrati. “We can’t call him the ‘victim’ because he kept telling us that he wanted this done to him. Ugh. Can we stop talking about this now?”

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gersh Kuntzman is also a columnist for The New York Post. His Web site is at http://www.gersh.tv

© 2002 Newsweek, Inc.

Oh dear.

:tongueout

Yeah this guy has some very strange ideas, I didn't know weather to laugh or cry while reading the article. I also noticed a number of inaccuracies in the article. So I think he was being a bit too artistic on writing the article.

I personally think he was trying for some ratings instead of posting the fact and taking an unbiased approach to the issue.

luvpain (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:45 pm I personally think he was trying for some ratings instead of posting the fact and taking an unbiased approach to the issue.

Unfortunately, too many journalists do that.

...from a self-centered journalist.

I think that to be a journalist (read, newspaper reporter) you have to believe that somehow you hold the keys to eternal truth. You must be convinced of that.

I might only respond to him in the following manner.

For those who understand, no explaination is necessary. For those who don't no explaination is possible.

Furthermore, do not be suprised to see some journalist join this site to snoop around to see what they can find out. When they get through the ensuing disaster here will make what the Troll people did here will look like a halloween prank compared to...well, we shall see.

A-1

I thought it was a cute and humorous article.

He didn't say bad things about eunuchs, but he didn't say good things.

Most people have no clue that eunuchs live among them.

They don't even know if there are gays or lesbians among them and we all know that there are !!! Worse, they can't even begin to think about about it.

The newspaper article was written for those people.

Once, a long time ago, I heard about the police getting their hands on a videotape of "scat" activities (that's the most polite way I know of saying it) ... If they hadn't seen it with their own eyes, they wouldn't have believed it was true. An entire police station in Buffalo NY didn't know anything like that existed...

I hope y'all realize that most people have never met a transexual. And if confronted by the real thing wouldn't know how to say hello.

SCAT is basically playing whit shit.

I have seen photos of SCAT where people are covered in shit, and a few where they are actually eating shit.

For some reasons just thinking about that makes me want to puke.