my dreams and fantasies of castration i hade so far as i can think. i believe that the predisposition is in our body from burth on...

also with the other sexparts. i remember i have squeezed my foreskin, penis and ballsac between heavy bricks as a young boy of 6-8 years.

i didnt understand it and was very shamed about me, but i did it with agreat lust and was amazed by doing this.

if someone had said that i had to be castrated, it would be a horny act for me and no problem. but i never could tell about this with anyone, never with my wife too....:

with 12-13 years i began to remove my foreskin in little parts, because it was a little bit tight and so not so comfortable and easy for the beginning masterbation.

and it was very exciting and the first step of realisation for my fantasies....-\

Hmm. I tend to agree with most of the stuff that's been said.

Im sure that most of us wouldn't want our own futures, future sex lives and sex organs at the mercy of our tweenage selves.

However, it does strike me that whilst the effects of castration can be in many ways "reversed" by HRT, or even adoption, the effects of puberty (onset of secondary sex characteristics) cannot be reversed, and especially not without severe adverse side effects.

One case in point; pre-pubescent 10 year old boys with only trace testosterone on the whole have good mental health, do not have to battle with weight gain or osteoperosis. Contrast this with someone castrated after puberty, and the results are very different.

I'll re-iterate that I'm not advocating the castration of children. Just highlighting the fact that puberty seems much more difficult to "reverse/negate" than castration.

I do believe that support for transgender, or even eunuch-wannabe kids should be more readily available.

In a purely theoretical sci-fi world, it might be an interesting idea to have all boys puberty delayed until after they become "adults". This would solve many of society's ills, and allow decisions about sexuality or sexual identity to be made with a "mature" mind. Those who wish to remain as they are; "boys" or "eunuchs" rather than "men" could, at that age, be given the necessary treatment to allow their decisions to be upheld. Ultimately this would provide everyone the freedom to make their own decisions rather than be funneled down one route (eg. puberty) because it's "normal".

Technology similar to contraceptive drug implants could be used to provide a steady stream of puberty-blocking drugs into the bloodstream so taking pills or injections wouldn't be necessary. The implant could be removed at the age of 18 or 21 (or later?).

As mentioned, a problem would be macroskeletalism, but one day we might have enough understanding of the mechanism of Human Growth Hormone to be able to regulate this.

All theoretical and sci-fi, of course.

Then, there is the problem of what is defined as "maturity". The idea of delaying puberty until one is "mature" enough could seem to be self-contradictory; can an individual be considered emotionally mature if their process of sexual maturity has been suspended?

The angsty-nature of teenagers is evidence of the struggle during puberty to become emotionally mature. Therefore, can an individual who has not gone through puberty be considered mature enough to make decisions as life-changing as weather to enter puberty or be castrated?

(I do not wish to insult pre-puberty enunuchs or sufferers of sex-chromesome-disorders. I merely wish to highlight that puberty could play a role in emotional, psychological or neurological development).

Even after puberty, are we REALLY mature? How do you separate maturity and wisdom? Would a man at age 70 be more emotionally mature than himself at age 20? He would likely be wiser, and wisdom is arguably essential to make the right decisions in life, particularly when those decisions have far-reaching consequences.

Of course, there are some very wise 13 year olds in the world. Likewise, there are plenty of adults in the world who, after 70 years still have little wisdom.

Is ANYONE really mature enough, or wise enough, to make decisions so great that they could entirely and irreversibly change every aspect of their futures? Perhaps there is no age at which such decisions can be made properly. Perhaps castration is ALWAYS a risk, a gamble on one's future happiness, and ultimately anyone who chooses it can only be judged as, through varying degrees, a bit reckless.

Waka Gashira (imported) wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:42 pm I do believe that support for transgender, or even eunuch-wannabe kids should be more readily available.

I agree with this as well - a more open approach to sexuality instead of the usual 'fly off the handle' reaction, or knee-jerk response of "YOU'RE A BOY, DAMMIT! ACT LIKE ONE!" This is certainly not helpful. Trust me, I live in an area where this is NOT at ALL understood, as A-1 can witness. There is a serious lack of open-mindedness here.

Waka Gashira (imported) wrote: Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:42 pm In a purely theoretical sci-fi world, it might be an interesting idea to have all boys puberty delayed until after they become "adults". This would solve many of society's ills, and allow decisions about sexuality or sexual identity to be made with a "mature" mind. Those who wish to remain as they are; "boys" or "eunuchs" rather than "men" could, at that age, be given the necessary treatment to allow their decisions to be upheld.

Granted, one (1) case does not make for a thesis, however...

Godson2's cousin, we'll call him JC, is - for all intents and purposes - a eunuch.

WHY he is remains a great mystery. His grandmother is an RN, and claims that the doctor has found no reason whatsoever for his condition.

This was noticed by G2 and friends when puberty was hitting them all. Or rather, hitting them all but for JC. To make a long story short, a get-together at the lake community one weekend night around a poker game turned into strip poker, and eventually a make-out session. Having always been very open and honest about all matters "male" and "sexual", G2 comes to me and says, "JC doesn't even have any hair yet!" This was at age 14-15. High voice, plump...red flag. Enter Granny and her RN status; trip to the doctor.

Findings - little to no testosterone in JC's system. No signs of puberty whatsoever. Not one indicator. Reasons? Unknown.

What gets me is that JC identifies as male. 100%. He likes girls. Yet here he is, almost 15 at this point, with a child's voice, no whiskers or fuzz, no body hair, and "tiny genitals". (sic). And of course, being plump, the beginnings of breasts and serious teasing.

What astounded me was that no one did anything. Nothing. The effects for JC were obesity by age 16, C-cup breasts, and still no secondary male sexual characteristics.

Jesus A. here has been to my house, and has met JC. He knows who he is. In the years since, JC is now ~19. He has some development, but not much. His voice is still high, but he has managed to lose some weight. He has never had a girlfriend for more than a few weeks. And being low income, having never been encouraged to do well in school, nothing has ever been done for him.

The result is not the "eternal boygod appearance" of fanfiction here, nor the "beauty" of some of the writings of the past concerning castrati singers or page boys.

The results in JC's case were and are not pretty. He got all the worst effects of being a eunuch - rather - one with naturally nonfunctional testicles.

More than once, I vehemently encouraged his Grandma (custody) to see state aid to get him on HRT, since that was what he wanted, but no one could afford it for him. The state plan would not pay for it, either, pathetic as Indiana's plan for low income kids is.

This is one danger of delayed puberty in any boy (MtE, MtF) that would have to be closely watched - the side effects that are NOT desirable.

In this case, as I said, there was no intervention, and now it's pretty much too late to reverse these things without costly surgery such as breast reduction, lipo, etc. I am not even sure if HRT would promote proper genital development at his age or not.

So while it's good in theory, and I would tend to agree with some of it, it must be monitored CLOSELY.

G3 is 12 now and getting a fuzzy upper lip. It saddens me to see it, but then again, I have always found it hard to let go of the "affectionate boy" in exchange for the "snarky teenager." Would that puberty could be delayed, or didn't start so damn soon...but this not my choice to make.

It should be up to the child, and these cases, one wanted it and was denied.

One wants it, and is getting it.

Still proof that as a Society, we have LONG way to go.

I think the boy could be castrated at any age as long as had undergone lots of medical help and psychiatric help to ensure it was the right decision and the boy knew all of the risks and side effects.

It maybe better for him to do it quite young before the penis grows and the balls to which

could make him start to really hate his genitals and could lead to self harming. Plus if he has it done before puberty he will never experience the sexual side of his genitals so will never miss them for that reason.

My only question would be If you castrate say a boy of 5 will his penis always then stay the size of a 5 year olds penis or will it still grow as the boys grows ? Or will it actually shrink as it will never get erect etc?

To answer one part of the question about genital development, yes they continue to grow some, in proportion to the body, before the start of puberty. I've had more than my share of diaper changes, baths, and exhibitionism later in life, and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before #6 (now age 1 y 5m) gets handed off to me for babysitting. Genital size and development varies from boy to boy, but the growth factor is there. It's not like a baby boy is born with a preset size of genitals that remain constant until puberty. No...

We've discussed the topic of boy-castration before, and unfortunately, the really good and well-argued thread was lost in a the big crash of the "King Kong" era - when the server here got hacked to serve a DVD ISO image of the new movie and had to be wiped out and reloaded.

My personal opinion on the question was 'no', a boy of that age is not qualified in any way to make his own decision about castration in any form.

It still is, but I do not have a problem (after much more study) with the chemical route, such as treatment with lupron, etc., to delay the onset of male puberty until "our hero" is old enough to make an informed decision on his own about surgery.

It's not uncommon to find prepubescent boys who are uninformed and wouldn't mind having some or all of their "accessories" (sic, one "SB", quote, 2007) removed. However, once they are informed as to why they have these "accessories" and what they do in later life, THAT line of thinking changes fast.

I have yet to encounter the self-harm issue in a boy that I know, however, and that is a topic that I am not qualified to argue. Should I encounter it, I would immediately run to the Red Nun with boy in hand and seek qualified psychiatric advice! It does sound like a topic for debate in its own thread, however, if there is enough interest in it.

Paolo wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:18 am It does sound like a topic for debate in its own thread, however, if there is enough interest in it.

Please, Paolo, initiate the Thread! Gemini Thank You-s

There are many different opinions to this topic.

On a couple of occasions I have talked to underage (15 & 16) trans people who were obtaining hormones and blockers off the internet or off the street. In neither case did I inform their parents. (In one case they wouldn't have cared) I was very careful to advise them to wait till they were legal, but I did answer questions about usual dosage. I probably could have been sued.

Transward

I know this thread is a little old but i wanted to post anyway. I say the age of six. Why so young? By age 5, 90-95% of brain development is complete. Also, a young boy being castrated won't be regrettable. He will never have known what it was like to be a horny teenager so being a eunuch would be normal to him.

I think 30 yrs old is a good age.