Mac (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:16 pm Punky

If you are as beautiful and feminine as your avatar suggests (thought that it might actually be you) you should not have any problem being accepted as a real girl. Unless, of course, you make it a point to tell everybody that you have a dick. Only the other girls with whom you desire an intimate relationship have a need to know.

Society has to be able to differentiate between women and men for the purpose of reproduction. Beyond that, way to much emphas is placed on separation based on ones genitals.

There should not be any need for public separation based on ones genetilia as long as adequate privacy is provided. Only the human species, in some societies, requires such unnatural separation.

Girls like you who are able to live and present yourselves as true women are more fortunate than most.

Bless you, Girl!

I would no more go around telling people I have a dick than a cisgendered woman would go around telling people she has a pussy. Its not even about seeking acceptance, its just weird to go around screaming about one's genitals.

It is something I would own up to if theres a need, such as right now, a discussion involving the topic of transwomen, or yes, as you've mentioned, when I'm dating. I tell them early to avoid the "surprise!!!" syndrome later on.

And yes, that is indeed me in my display pic.

When I asked the question that started this thread I was in the early stages of beginning to wear panties and bra and expressing the desire to become a Tgirl. It was just a simple question and I was hoping for some simple answers.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think it would escalate into the intellectual discussion so far over my head that I found it hard to digest.

After reading this high flautin info I've decided to keep my tiny balls and recessed turtle dick. I haven't been able to find anyone to castrate me anyway and it seems that it would be easier to continue to sit down and pee through my little turtle than it would be without it.

Now I have another question but being the ill informed dummy I am I'm almost afraid to ask it.

How can I get my breasts/tits to become more ladylike and grow? I've read that being a biological male taking hormones can cause blood clots, strokes etc. Is this a risk I should not take?

What is the cost of having implants? Is this a lesser risk?

I remember seeing a TV special on the serial killer (mass rapist) Richard Speck and the guys who kept him as their pussy-girl in prison had him taking something that caused him to develope female type breasts. What did they give him? Did it cause his untimely death?

I thought it was really sexy that this once masculine man had been reduced to being a feminine whore for a bunch of prisoners. I don't want to get arrested for anything but I would like to be feminized like he was. Is there a simple way to do this?

If I can develope lady breasts I want to move to another state and live out my life as a lady - with a little something extra. And you know from seeing my profile pic that it is really a little something. Can you help this old lady out with some simple advice? Thanks!

I'd say, implants are probably safer than hormones. Hormones would seem to carry a higher risk. While I don't approve, nontheless there is a health risk issue here, so I'd advise you to visit sites dealing with transition for transwomen, and read up very carefully on the pros and cons of taking female hormones. Besides physical health risk, there is also the risk of psychological effects such as depression caused by a change in your body's chemical balance.

As for being feminised, I don't see why you'd get arrested? I cannot in good conscience suggest self-medication with regards to hormones, but certainly lots of transwomen have resorted to self-medication on hormones without ever getting into trouble with the law.

punkypink (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:11 pm Thats my take on the type of admirers listed here. There is a reason I don't join most of these social groups like yours Eliz. While I'd love to meet the ones in category 2, the other 3 types will just disgust, insult and ultimately anger me.

I don't disagree with you at all, I believe we are on the same page. I was only reporting what I see, not suggesting I approve of any of the particular admirers. As a rule, I do not consider admirers a good thing and in fact on the forum where I moderate, we ban them.

While I did start the group, other than removing spam posts, I do not participate and I do not accept friend invitations from group members. For those of us who have seen the sexual exploitation of

transsexuals, it's heart breaking. It's no different in many ways from the exploitation of women in general and the men who exploit women who suffer from low self esteem. I just think that many of those we call admirers see transsexuals as an easier target because of almost universal low self esteem and self image problems.

Anyways, nice post!

Elizabeth

Elizabeth (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:10 am I don't disagree with you at all, I believe we are on the same page. I was only reporting what I see, not suggesting I approve of any of the particular admirers. As a rule, I do not consider admirers a good thing and in fact on the forum where I moderate, we ban them.

While I did start the group, other than removing spam posts, I do not participate and I do not accept friend invitations from group members. For those of us who have seen the sexual exploitation of

transsexuals, it's heart breaking. It's no different in many ways from the exploitation of women in general and the men who exploit women who suffer from low self esteem. I just think that many of those we call admirers see transsexuals as an easier target because of almost universal low self esteem and self image problems.

Anyways, nice post!

Elizabeth

No no, I know you don't condone or condemn them. You've actually posted a very good objective take on the major types of admirers out there, without which, my more detailed discourse on each type would not be able to expressed. The last bit is merely an explanation as to why as much as I would like to help more, I have not been able to join such social groups. In fact, sometimes even people on the EA have peeved me off with their attitudes towards transpeople, such as insisting on using terms like "ladyboy" to refer to transwomen.

There are a few well known members, one of whom recently has "left", for whom transwomen are simply for sexual gratification and nothing more, and who've reacted in a less than positive way when I requested that they be more sensitive about why degradory terms like "ladyboy" are not encouraged. A dismissive "oh lighten up" sort of attitude as a response clearly indicates said person doesn't actually care for the well-being of a fellow group of human beings beyond their use as sex objects.

For the rest, you've pretty much constantly hit the nail on the head.

The comments about sexual exploitation, low self esteem and self image problems may define me. You've made me think that I probably do want to be sexually exploited - although I don't exactly know what that means.

I'd like to be one man's lady but would also be a willing prostitute for him if that's what he demanded.

On the one hand I'm 71 and have a reasonably active sex life but having an active sex life of a new kind might add excitement to the life of this old girl. Do you think I'm headed for trouble, disappointment or being a pitiful old slut?

On the other hand do you think the excitement for an old girl who doesn't want to grow old gracefully is worth a little exploitation?

I respect your knowledge, judgment and advice. You folks on this site are so very intelligent and helpful. Thanks!

NO one should have to prostitute them self's, willing or otherwise for "love". This is just plan wrong.

Castrated or not Tgirls are girls. During the process of become a Tgirl the estrogen shuts down the testicles so procreation after a time can no longer happen.

Myself I should of listened to my self and became a MTF (Tgril) and most likily been much more happy.

punkypink (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:51 pm I'd say, implants are probably safer than hormones. Hormones would seem to carry a higher risk. While I don't approve, nontheless there is a health risk issue here, so I'd advise you to visit sites dealing with transition for transwomen, and read up very carefully on the pros and cons of taking female hormones. Besides physical health risk, there is also the risk of psychological effects such as depression caused by a change in your body's chemical balance.

I have enjoyed the interchange of ideas on this thread and agree with much of what has been posted. Unfortunately, I do not have the time to participate more.

As for relative benefit to risk ratios of implants vs. hormones, this is difficult to quantify although epidemiological studies likely exist that would allow this comparison. While there are known risks to taking estrogen, including blood clots, depression and migraines, there are risks (often serious) with all medications. Many of these improve quality of life and the risks are considered manageable. We all have to make an informed decision, meaning in consultation with a physician, on whether the benefits of hormones outweigh the risks. It's also a risk to count on web sites, run by transsexual persons or not, as the only source for advice on hormones. I have found a lot of incorrect information on some of these. Some are very good, others are misleading. A consultation with a good endocrinologist provides the opportunity to ask questions and get very informed answers.

The same benefit vs. risk analysis should be done with any type of elective surgery, including implants. Breast implants are known to make it more difficult to detect tumors through mammography. There are men who get breast cancer, for instance, who have not taken estrogen. So someone who identifies as a male-to-female transsexual, takes no estrogen, but has implants still has a risk of breast cancer. In addition, implants carry the risk of infection, breast pain, scar tissue that distorts the shape of the breast, extrusion of the implant through the skin, necrosis (death of tissue around the implants that may require surgery to remove), loss of sensation and several other complications. (Source: www.JustBreatImplants.com (http://www.justbreastimplants.com/implants/) and the Mayo Clinic web site (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/breast ... ts/WO00052).)

For nearly 20 months, I have been using an estrogen patch which is known to reduce the risk of blood clots relative to other forms of estrogen administration. My cardiac related blood chemistry has improved since I started estrogen, although I am not certain if this is a predictor of blood clots that can occur in the legs, for instance. While I have had major depression most of my life, estrogen has not worsened this. In fact, I feel calmer and I have never been happier. I also suffer from migraines, but I have seen a huge reduction in migraines since I started estrogen. Of course, part of this may be because I am finally living the life I was born for. In any case, the reported risk of increased migraine frequency and intensity has not been my reality.

I transitioned to full time living as the woman I am before I knew I would receive approval to take estrogen. At that time, I told a friend that if I were never able to take estrogen I would certainly continue to identify as female. Ultimately, as has been pointed out here many times, it is what's between our ears that lets us know who we are.

I have been unemployed over 5 months now. It took me awhile to get over the initial shock of losing my job. Since then, I have been surprised (and pleased) to find that my life continues to get better and I am happier than ever. Very good things can come from being true to who you really are.

turtle12 (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:09 pm The comments about sexual exploitation, low self esteem and self image problems may define me. You've made me think that I probably do want to be sexually exploited - although I don't exactly know what that means.

I'd like to be one man's lady but would also be a willing prostitute for him if that's what he demanded.

On the one hand I'm 71 and have a reasonably active sex life but having an active sex life of a new kind might add excitement to the life of this old girl. Do you think I'm headed for trouble, disappointment or being a pitiful old slut?

On the other hand do you think the excitement for an old girl who doesn't want to grow old gracefully is worth a little exploitation?

I respect your knowledge, judgment and advice. You folks on this site are so very intelligent and helpful. Thanks!

To be honest, I'd choose dignity over short term thrills any time, but I am not in your shoes and I can't possibly be aware of the various motivations behind your choices.

Maybe the best advice I can give you is to have standards. Being a transwoman does not mean we automatically give up our rights to have standards. The line has to be drawn somewhere, and you need to realise that your validation of who you are should not be dependent on your sexual life. By all means, like what you like, but don't let that become entwined with your validation, because in the end, it is that very validation of who we are that sustains us, not short term thrills.

Also, there are other ways of staying young and refusing to age gracefully. I tell people I'm 18 forever, and they do believe it too, unless the engage in some in-depth discussion, then sadly my real age shows D:

As for hormonal advice, I'm glad Danya's stepped in. Shes the one to listen to for she is much more knowledgable than I am when it comes to hormones.

punkypink (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:08 pm If a person's natural instinct is to identify as a woman, even if he/she does nothing about it, that is woman enough. Afterall I've done none of what you've suggested for the criteria of being woman enough... would you say I'm not woman enough?

Living as a women is women enough and Emily your PLENTY women enough for me.

I would add that my "Mr T" is not about being black (I'm not- I AM trying) or being a Retired TV Star but about "T"estosterone. And "if" you ever do ponder Estrogen I think you will be happily surprised how much it does rewire things. And no, not talking about the physical changes so much as the mental ones. If you ever do go down that road you can be "Miss E"mily/Estrogen.