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Re: S. Califo-nia Needs Rain

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:34 pm
by Mac (imported)
I lived in Sacramento the winters of 1951-1952 & 1952-1953 and remember having a lot of rain.

Re: S. Califo-nia Needs Rain

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:41 pm
by Mac (imported)
moi621 (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:29 am River, we have erected a storm sign pointing the way to Wisconsin.

One is on the way, at least two more to follow.

Let Moi know when you have had enough.

:)

MOI: 🍑👋vous est mauvais🍑👋

Re: S. Califo-nia Needs Rain

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:48 pm
by MacTheWolf (imported)
Rain? Tornado warnings today in Southern California.

Re: S. Califo-nia Needs Rain

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:45 pm
by kristoff
MacTheWolf (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:48 pm Rain? Tornado warnings today in Southern California.

Boring... we get those all spring and summer routinely. we still go to work, etc....

Re: S. Califo-nia Needs Rain

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:07 pm
by bobbie (imported)
MacTheWolf (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:48 pm Rain? Tornado warnings today in Southern California.

Tornado must look really black in California. With all the smog.

Re: S. Califo-nia Needs Rain

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:22 pm
by moi621 (imported)
coinflipper_21 (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:16 pm The weather patterns of the California coast are quite predictable if you view them in the long term. If you have read "Two Years Before the Mast" (If you haven't, much of it is about whaling and trading on the California coast in the mid 1830s.) , Dana describes California in the drought conditions that we have had in the last several years. In the epilogue, he returns to California twenty years later and marvels at the changes brought on by wet weather. When I commented on this to a friend, an oceanography professor, he told me that my idea that Dana had correctly observed the long term weather pattern on the California coast was correct.

When I first moved to California, in 1951, The winter rains were terrible. There was winter flooding and landslides. (It even snowed on the Hollywood Hills a few times.) This was the pattern through the '50s, then it got drier. for about twenty years. People worried that California was going to run out of water, but the rains returned, the reservoirs filled, the snow pack deepened, and people worried about winter flooding and land slides again. Then it got drier, Now it's getting wet. We've had over two inches of rain in the last 24 hours, where I am, and there is a procession of storms approaching the coast for this entire week. Here we go again.

If experience can be relied upon, it will be like this for the next three to five winters, confounding Weather Service computer models. Then, it will get dry again. The pattern is clear, you just have to be around long enough to see it.

I remember rain and drought cycles well.

Do you remember, the March Miracle?

A drought broke with a perfect series of March storms. Reservoirs and Snow Pack predicted to take years to restore, were restored in one month.

It just seems to me, the recent drought has been worse then usual as these blessed rains were delayed a couple of years. Also, we don't seem to have series of wet years anymore. As if the pattern has gone to a quick fill up and then back to empty. Not what I remember in the 50's-60's-70's-80's. The 90's started the short fill up wet time and long dry spells. I believe the last time I experienced weather as today was, 1997. Over ten years ago.

Y'think? 💡

Moi

Bravo, Dana reference. Got a reputation hit.

Re: S. Califo-nia Needs Rain

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:10 am
by Losethem (imported)
Riverwind (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:00 am Not totally true, Orange county is Republican most likely the most republican district in the country and it has loads of people.

River... Orange county is not as Republican as it once was. Loretta Sanchez (a very liberal Democrat) was elected from there to a formerly staunchly Republican house seat. Almost as reliably republican as the Senate seat in Massachsuetts was Democratic.

Still, the point of this post is where the water falls. Southern California doesn't need the rain nearly as much as the north does. It's quite telling when Castaic Lake is 100% full, but the reservoirs in the north are running around 50%.

--LT

Re: S. Califo-nia Needs Rain

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:48 pm
by moi621 (imported)
Losethem (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:10 am River... Orange county is not as Republican as it once was. Loretta Sanchez (a very liberal Democrat) was elected from there to a formerly staunchly Republican house seat. Almost as reliably republican as the Senate seat in Massachsuetts was Democratic.

Still, the point of this post is where the water falls. Southern California doesn't need the rain nearly as much as the north does. It's quite telling when Castaic Lake is 100% full, but the reservoirs in the north are running around 50%.

--LT

Because you don't need the other 50% ! :D

More seriously, those reservoirs up north are there as part of a flood control program. Having these reservoirs full before an anticipated rainy season may not be too bright.

Castaic Lake does not bear such flood control responsibility.

A sighted tornado next door in Costa Mesa and one up the coast a bit in Sunset Beach. Docked boats were lifted. Not usual. But, Califo-nia weather is rarely, moderate.

Well, okay, winter temperatures are moderate.

Moi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0UcQDUR-fU

Re: S. Califo-nia Needs Rain

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:10 pm
by coinflipper_21 (imported)
Mac (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:34 pm I lived in Sacramento the winters of 1951-1952 & 1952-1953 and remember having a lot of rain.

One of my most striking memories of that '52-'53 winter was a newsreel clip of a concrete swimming pool that had popped out of the ground and was floating down the Sacramento River.

Moi621 is right, people tend to forget about the flood control component of the California reservoir system in drought times. I remember being on a boat going upriver above Sacramento at the height of a drought period some years back. I was reminded about the flooding potential of that river when I passed a marina and noticed that the piers that the floating docks were riding up and down on were standing forty feet above the current water level. I would guess that marina managers, as well as anyone else who lives and works at the banks of the river, do not forget.

Re: S. Califo-nia Needs Rain

Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:30 pm
by sag111 (imported)
Well if what I am seeing on the news tonight southern cal will be asking for another drought.We got hit with some strong winds today and I lost about 5 trees but what is headed south tomorrow is supposed to be far worse then what we got.