punkypink (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:09 pm (Lots of long haired dudes I know here never had their parents say they look like a girl. It's always along the lines of "you look like a tramp" )

So I should be grateful to my parents for stating it like:

"you have hair, any woman would be proud of"?

fhunter wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:37 pm So I should be grateful to my parents for stating it like:

"you have hair, any woman would be proud of"?

I think so!

I've got a mate with nice long hair. He's blagged himself a role as a medieval men-at-arms extra on the set of the new robin hood movie filming in UK

One person's perception of another person

is not necessarily what is real,

nor is it necessarily what is the other person's perception of themselves,

regardless of what is real, or not.

We tend to generalize into others what we perceive / believe what is or is not reality.

But it is interesting to read about all the perceptions everyone has of themselves and of others.

What if we're all physically sexless beings in giant machines, like in the matrix, and what our gender really depends on is the brain? You never know

My arms piont out, I can pick up a chair and I can touch my elbows. What are you trying to tell me?

feedback (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:01 am My arms piont out, I can pick up a chair and I can touch my elbows. What are you trying to tell me?

That you're human, no more, no less.

fhunter wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:37 pm So I should be grateful to my parents for stating it like:

"you have hair, any woman would be proud of"?

Lots of young men have features that any woman would be proud of, and I have known women with somewhat masculine traits that you could only think of as woman with a capital "W". I remember, as a teenager, girls telling me they were jealous of my naturally curly hair and saying that I had eyelashes that two girls could get good use out of, and despite having a build like an ox I once did go to a Halloween party in drag and pulled it off. However, aside from the evening of the in-drag party, when I was working it, no one ever suggested that I was a girl or in the least bit feminine. I still think that this whole idea of a test for transexual tendencies is bogus. You are who you are, whether you, or anyone else for that matter, like it or not.

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punkypink (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:11 am what our gender really depends on is the brain?

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Or is it how our experience affected our brain? Sorry for my draconian snip, but that part of your comment really got me thinking.

Patty Cutman (imported) wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:20 pm Or is it how our experience affected our brain? Sorry for my draconian snip, but that part of your comment really got me thinking.

I'm less inclined to believe in nuture, since many transpeople steadfastly hold onto their innate identity despite years and even decades of social and environmental conditioning supposed to make them believe their gender is the same as their birth sex. Indeed, were we to focus on this study(note the part in bold):

punkypink (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:30 am In 1997, J.N. Zhou, M.A. Hofman, L.J. Gooren and D.F. Swaab conducted tests on the brains of transgender individuals. Their tests showed that the volume of the central subdivision of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc), a brain area that is essential for sexual behaviour, is larger in men than in women. A female-sized BSTc was found in male-to-female transsexuals. The size of the BSTc was not influenced by sex hormones in adulthood and was independent of sexual orientation. Their study was the first to show a female brain structure in genetically male transsexuals and supports the hypothesis that gender identity develops as a result of an interaction between the developing brain and sex hormones.

Then really, its apparent that it is not what we experience in life, but what has already happened in the womb (aka nature) that's responsible.

Hi,

Well the test works on me as well. But it could just be an age thing as well.

Happy Trails,

Casie