Dear Friends,

I am just going to correct this problem now. For the most part, I have received a warm welcome and I thank everyone for that. I also thank each and everyone of you that posted or PMed me. I know you have all meant well, trying to give me sound and reasonable advice. But it is becoming rather clear to me that the presence of a Roman Catholic is either unwanted or will only cause instability in discussions. I do not want that to happen, so I will simply go away and be of no bother to the good people of this forum. Thanks to everyone.

Peace and Blessings,

Brandon

Not that this topic is overly hostile or negative or anything, but the direction it is starting to take has happened to me before and the result is never good for anyone.

Peace and Blessings,

Brandon

Brandon86 (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:34 pm Dear Friends,

I am just going to correct this problem now. For the most part, I have received a warm welcome and I thank everyone for that. I also thank each and everyone of you that posted or PMed me. I know you have all meant well, trying to give me sound and reasonable advice. But it is becoming rather clear to me that the presence of a Roman Catholic is either unwanted or will only cause instability in discussions. I do not want that to happen, so I will simply go away and be of no bother to

Brandon86 (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:39 pm the good people of this forum. Tha

nks to everyone.

Peace and Blessings,

Brandon

It's not the presence of a Roman Catholic that's unwanted, it's the imposition of his beliefs on others. You quote your religion as if it's the TRUTH. I say that it's not. If you want to stay to discuss the topics relevant to this board, you're welcome. If you're here to talk about religion, then you'll certainly get a response from me -- probably a negative one -- one I have as much right to express as you do. If you're leaving...well -- so long.

Slammr (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:52 pm It's not the presence of a Roman Catholic that's unwanted, it's the imposition of his beliefs on others. You quote your religion as if it's the TRUTH. I say that it's not. If you want to stay to discuss the topics relevant to this board, you're welcome. If you're here to talk about religion, then you'll certainly get a response from me -- probably a negative one -- one I have as much right to express as you do. If you're leaving...well -- so long.

An extra post or two won't hurt before I leave. My only question for you, is how have I imposed my beliefs on others? And I don't see how stating my faith's position is wrong, I never said you had to believe, I only stated one position. I didn't come to talk about religion, but Jesus sent me a private PM asking more about my reasons and I gave you the same response I gave him. What have I done to offend anyone with my religious beliefs? I have not attempted to convert anyone, tell anyone that they are without a doubt wrong.

Brandon86 (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:03 pm An extra post or two won't hurt before I leave. My only question for you, is how have I imposed my beliefs on others? And I don't see how stating my faith's position is wrong, I never said you had to believe, I only stated one position. I didn't come to talk about religion, but Jesus sent me a private PM asking more about my reasons and I gave you the same response I gave him. What have I done to offend anyone with my religious beliefs? I have not attempted to convert anyone, tell anyone that they are without a doubt wrong.

Pages and pages of what your religion believes with quotes from esoteric church documents...I consider that imposition, irrelevant to the topics discussed on this board. You're discussing religious beliefs that have nothing to do with your wish to be castrated. What does abortion have to do with that? As long as you were talking about how your interpretation of the bible led you to believe that you should be castrated, that was a discussion pertinent to this board. When you strayed to other topics, such as abortion, it was not. Been there and done that on the topic of abortion. I don't want to hear it from you or anyone else on this board. I don't have any authority on this board, but I can jump in your face, stating my opinion when you do, about abortion or religion.

Then you cop out, saying, "Oh, I'd better leave. I can see people here don't like Roman Catholics."

I don't have anything against Roman Catholics. I don't have anything against you. How can I? I don't know you. I object to your posts on religion. I object to the tone you take with others, your "peace and blessings on you" shit, when you're really using it in an attempt to show superiority. At first, I was sympathetic to your posts. I am no longer. As I said, if you wish to stay and discuss subjects pertinent to this board -- Welcome. If you don't -- if you just wish to moralize -- then good riddance to you once you leave. I, for one, won't miss you.

Stating that: I'm not saying I want you to leave. I just think that people that threaten to leave should either shit or get off the pot. If you want to leave -- leave. If you want to stay -- stay. Don't threaten us with your leaving for the next six months. Been there and seen that before, too.

As I said, I have nothing against you. I only object to some of the things you said. I didn't say you were proselytizing, but I do consider a full page of quotes about abortion an imposition, one to which I have a right to respond. You've stated your beliefs. I've stated mine. If you wish to stay to discuss -- fine. If you want to cut and run -- fine, also.

Slammr (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:37 pm Pages and pages of what your religion believes with quotes from esoteric church documents...I consider that imposition, irrelevant to the topics discussed on this board. You're discussing religious beliefs that have nothing to do with your wish to be castrated. What does abortion have to do with that? As long as you were talking about how your interpretation of the bible led you to believe that you should be castrated, that was a discussion pertinent to this board. When you strayed to other topics, such as abortion, it was not. Been there and done that on the topic of abortion. I don't want to hear it from you or anyone else on this board. I don't have any authority on this board, but I can jump in your face, stating my opinion when you do, about abortion or religion.

Then you cop out, saying, "Oh, I'd better leave. I can see people here don't like Roman Catholics."

I don't have anything against Roman Catholics. I don't have anything against you. How can I? I don't know you. I object to your posts on religion. I object to the tone you take with others, your "peace and blessings on you" shit, when you're really using it in an attempt to show superiority. At first, I was sympathetic to your posts. I am no longer. As I said, if you wish to stay and discuss subjects pertinent to this board -- Welcome. If you don't -- if you just wish to moralize -- then good riddance to you once you leave. I, for one, won't miss you.

I was not the one who first mentioned abortion, I only posted a response when A-1 stated he felt the Church had changed its position. You have not heard my voice so how can you tell my tone? I am a respectful individual at all times and detest rudeness. And by saying peace and blessings, I really mean that. You may think it "shit" if you want, but I am not trying to show superiority to anyone, anywhere. Perhaps you think leaving is a cop out, I don't know how it is.

Brandon86.

I was wondering...

Can you explain to me how castration which will kill all of your sperm cells and potential children is different from abortion?

I think that a fetus is basically a parasite that exists only because of the mother. In other words, no mother, no fetus. However, the mother CAN exist without the fetus. Therefore, the mother has the say so about if the pregnancy should or should not be allowed to contiunue.

This view (http://www.holysmoke.org/fem/fem0016.htm) is not unusual. In fact, the medical definition of parasite (http://www.answers.com/topic/parasite) is met by this description. (http://www.theforumsite.com/users/activ ... ournal/437)

Not to confuse you, but the fetus exists at the whim of the mother. WE have no business dictating to anybody what they ought to do with their body.

Of course, we have no business burning people at the stake for witchcraft, either. ...er, pardon me, the is a knocking coming from the closet...excuse me while I go to the closet and let my broom out...



A-1

A-1 (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:52 pm Brandon86.

I was wondering...

Can you explain to me how castration which will kill all of your sperm cells and potential children is different from abortion?

I think that a fetus is basically a parasite that exists only because of the mother. In other words, no mother, no fetus. However, the mother CAN exist woithout the fetus. Therefore, the mother has the say so about if the pregnancy should or should not be allowed to contiunue.

This view (http://www.holysmoke.org/fem/fem0016.htm) is not unusual. In fact, the medical definition of parasite (http://www.answers.com/topic/parasite) is met by this description. (http://www.theforumsite.com/users/activ ... ournal/437)

Not to confuse you, but the fetus exists at the whim of the mother. WE have no business dictating to anybody what they ought to do with their body.

Of course, we have no business buring people at the stake for witchcraft, either. ...er, pardon me while I go to the closet and let my broom out...

A-1

Because in my opinion the fetus is still a human child and as such is entitled to the same rights as everyone, even if its survival is dependent on the mother's body. In my opinion, that makes the needs to afford this child legal protection even more urgent. As to sperm, well, sperm is just a cell, not a human. Of course, each could be, but it lacks half of the biological material to achieve this goal.

Can the abortion discussion, or move to the Political Forum, please. That's not the topic of this thread.

Thank you.

Brandon86 (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:44 pm I was not the one who first mentioned abortion, I only posted a response when A-1 stated he felt the Church had changed its position. You have not heard my voice so how can you tell my tone? I am a respectful individual at all times and detest rudeness. And by saying peace and blessings, I really mean that. You may think it "shit" if you want, but I am not trying to show superiority to anyone, anywhere. Perhaps you think leaving is a cop out, I don't know how it is.

And, if I've misinterpreted your post, and it was just a response to A-1 (God knows, A-1 causes all kinds of responses) I apologize. But it wasn't only that post. Some of what I read about your stating Church views on same-sex marriage also came into play. I'd love to hear what you think. I care nothing about hearing what the Catholic church thinks.