Sherry (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:24 pm This is really a tricky issue. The needs of those who would benefit from orchiectomy need to be weighed against the needs of those who need to think about this and be careful. Do we just give this surgery on demand and never mind those who will regret it, or do we make it difficult to obtain, which might prevent a few regrets, but cause problems for those who do need to be castrated?

Personally I lean toward allowing consenting adults to be able to obtain the surgery. I had my orchiectomy at age 31,..... but I also regret that I didn't get to do it when I was younger.

If standards were made, that might cause a few unsure persons to hesitate before getting the surgery, but there will still be some who will put themselves through whatever protocol we put in their path, get the surgery, and then regret it.

Transitioners like myself would no doubt benefit from castration at a younger age. When a non-transgendered man writes to me, if he is between 18 and 25, I advise him to consider that his body has not finished masculinizing yet, and is he sure he wants to forego the additional masculinization? Some men would wish to let their development finish, while others would rather feel peaceful and calm already.

I just posted a new page on my website urging persons who are sure they would be happier for being castrated to obtain the surgery safely and intelligently, and I wish there were more doctors who would safely perform this surgery, especially for the non-transgendered men here. Instead of calling for more standards, I would wish anyone considering castration, regardless of their age, to be absolutely certain that they know themselves.

Sherry, I find your comments extremely wise ones. People of all ages, even guys still in their teens, might benefit from castration and should have the option open. This is true for trans-sexuals as well as not. Some will later question the wisdom of their decision or regret it. I'm not certain that anyone has demonstrated that youth are more likely to later regret the decision.

What is true is that youth have more to lose. However, they also have more to gain. Cutting short masculinization takes on more importance for younger guys. The ability to reproduce is of special advantage and importance to younger folks. I believe all of this just increases the onus for the availability of quality psychological counselling. This availability is perhaps more important than living for a period of time with anti-androgens.

Sherry (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:24 pm One such example of a person who went around the system for transsexuals to get SRS and then regretted it is:

http://transsexual.org/letters20.html#moron

Hmm, interesting. He forged recommendation letters, and the SRS surgeon didn't check the references, so he managed to acquire SRS.

happousai (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:09 pm Hmm, interesting. He forged recommendation letters, and the SRS surgeon didn't check the references, so he managed to acquire SRS.

North American surgeons usually check up on the letters these days, because I would imagine that almost any experienced SRS surgeon has encountered at least one person who forged their letters and then regretted it. But I imagine it would be more difficult for Thailand surgeons to check up on letters from therapists in North America or Europe.

sl1 (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 21, 2004 1:50 pm The best way to ensure a person really wants them gone is to have them awake and cut the cords themselves.

I insisted on that and would not have had it any other way. However, I'm not certain most sugeons would conduct the procedure in this manner?

Andrew (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:52 pm As most of you know, I have been putting together a list on the effects of castration, aimed towards those thinking of becoming eunuchs...... This is because of my learning the MOST distressing news that The Fraj now regrets his decision, and is now fighting depression. I've also been reading other threads. In theory, it is legal to have yourself castrated at age 18 or 21....So I am wondering if I should do a rewrite, with a suggestion that age 25 is the cut-off date (pun intended), under which a person should try chemical castration before making the final decision for surgery?

A close friend is fond of saying that prognosis must be preceded by diagnosis. It strikes me that the diagnosis is false. Ipso facto, the prognosis is therefore faulty.

I've been giving this issue some thought. Why should one conclude that the objective function should be age at castration. I can think of many options in this respect. Perhaps it's an error to say age is the issue. Some others participating in this thread have noted that many young people have made wise decisions at a young age that they have not regretted. I was also recently perusing the web site for the Sansui Clinic in Thailand. I noted a testimonial posting from a guy that had gone to them seeking a bilateral orchiectomy. To make a long story short, they talked him into the removal of one testicle and the shrtening of the sac, leaving a single testicle up close to his crotch and behind his cock. He expressed his gratitude towards this very creative solution to his desire to be castrated, but yet be left with sexual libido, which the doctors at the Sansui Clinic found after discussing the man's desires with him at some length. Perhaps the problem with castration on demand, which is basically the service offered by the physcians in Philadelphia where Fraj was castrated is that it seldom pursues other outlets for castration obsessions or fixations. In other words, perhaps it's not age, but the maturity of applicants, mediated by the willingness of the physicians to pursue other options?

Castration should be an individual descision, responsibility and with no repurcusions to the doc, he is only performing what was requested.

happousai (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:09 pm Hmm, interesting. He forged recommendation letters, and the SRS surgeon didn't check the references, so he managed to acquire SRS.

Hi All! This Story is heartbreaking. It seems there are so many of these anymore. I hope other's just think about this and if they are believer's ,have a long talk with the big guy. Hugs, Leona

Andrew (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:52 pm As most of you know, I have been putting together a list on the effects of castration, aimed towards those thinking of becoming eunuchs. I have had very useful help and feedback from many in the EA about this. So time for another revision.

This is because of my learning the MOST distressing news that The Fraj now regrets his decision, and is now fighting depression. I've also been reading other threads.

In theory, it is legal to have yourself castrated at age 18 or 21, depending on where you live, and assuming you can find a Physician, Doctor, or Surgeon willing to do the operation. In such cases, tthose Doctors might be more willing to prescribe chemical castration.

So I am wondering if I should do a rewrite, with a suggestion that age 25 is the cut-off date (pun intended), under which a person should try chemical castration before making the final decision for surgery?

If not 25, what age? 30? 40? Castration before age 40 increases your risk of ostreoporosis.

Andrew, you raise a very important issue which I would like to address from perhaps a different -- but perhaps still relevant to your posting -- perspective, namely that of the importance of making important life choices in accordance with the classic Greek principle "know yourself", and particularly in terms of distinguishing between the world of fantasy and the world of reality, and the very different implications of actions taken in these two worlds.

Let me start by idenifying myself: I am a non-castrated male who wishes he were a woman -- but will never have a sex change operation, because such an operation would not be able to fulfill my fantasy desire of being a GG like my avatar. I stress that I mean no disrespect whatever for males who choose to go the transexual route. but I simply want to note that going this route isn't for me because in this case the world of reality would not be able to match my intense world of fantasy (in which I turn into my avatar). Likewise, I belong to and contribute to stories this site because I find the castration fantasies exciting.

BUT for me -- and I stress "for ME" because I know that there are many eunuchs like yourself, Andrew, who have found happiness in actual castration -- the "real thing" is not an option. More seriously, those persons who, like me, live in the world of castration as a fantasy thing -- perhaps even a fantasy thing that dominates their thoughts -- and who decide to put that fantasy into reality, should simply recognize how different the world of reality is from the world of fantasy. I am NOT arguing against a move from the world of fantasy into the world of reality (i.e. from eunuch wannabe to the real thing). I am just making the point -- which is so obvious but it seems to me so important that it can't be stressed too much -- of the need to "know thyself" and decide which world you want to be in. There are many happy eunuchs out there, Andrew, such as yourself. But there are also -- as in your posting, to which I am replying -- those regret there decision.

My bottom line: you can dream about being castrated every day. You can only have it done once. I'm most definitely NOT saying don't have it done if it's right for you. I'm just saying, before having it done, "know thyself" in terms of comething you love to dream about, or something you really want to live with in the world of reality.

I believe that age should not be the deeming factor of when a person is castrated, although it could be weighed more heavily if the person was very young. What I would like to see in place is a program similar to the Harry Benjamin standards, where a person does have an outlet to seek castration. This would entail a period where the person would be seen by a doctor for the administration of chemical castration drugs and maintain their health, along with a therapist to be sure the person can handle the emotional effects brought about by castration. Taking these steps would help to insure that person is a good candidate for physical castration. For older persons a year minimum should be required on this program, and for the younger person, a two year minimum would be a safer choice.

Chemical castration does in fact mimic physical castration, and given a relatively short period of time, it is reversible. I don’t think anyone would object to this type of scrutiny if it was possible to obtain a safe method of physical castration.