Some years ago there was a trial with some similarities to the coming one on the 19th, where the judge was of the opinion that "consent is no defense" and sent the accused down for some considerable time. After this particular trial there were mutterings that as more and more people indulge in "extreme" body mods such such as tongue and penis splitting etc., there was a need for a change in the relevant laws so that procedures such as these could be done overtly, in hygienic conditions by properly qualified practitioners, perhaps even by the odd doctor or two...

Tante Wippen (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:26 am Some years ago there was a trial with some similarities to the coming one on the 19th, where the judge was of the opinion that "consent is no defense" and sent the accused down for some considerable time. After this particular trial there were mutterings that as more and more people indulge in "extreme" body mods such such as tongue and penis splitting etc., there was a need for a change in the relevant laws so that procedures such as these could be done overtly, in hygienic conditions by properly qualified practitioners, perhaps even by the odd doctor or two...

"Extreme" lol ... Tongue and penis splitting are pretty "mild", let's face it. (These are all subjective value judgements). This is exactly what I meant in my post above. Most people think these two mods are incredibly banal, but around an office meeting or in a public forum they get the label 'extreme' through sheer force of social reproduction. ... People need to engage their brains and ask 'what's it to me, anyway?'

There is a conception, perhaps even legal conception - "voluntary victim". From Armin Meiwes case.

Any person who lets voluntary remove any healthy tissue, can considered to be as a "voluntary victim" (except circumcisions and beauty surgeries of course)

erikboy (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:54 am There is a conception, perhaps even legal conception - "voluntary victim". From Armin Meiwes case.

Any person who lets voluntary remove any healthy tissue, can considered to be as a "voluntary victim" (except circumcisions and beauty surgeries of course)

We should naturally define 'healthy' tissue as tissue that is actively wanted... because the status of unwantedness must surely make tissue ontologically unhealthy...

magusuk89 (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:07 am We should naturally define 'healthy' tissue as tissue that is actively wanted... because the status of unwantedness must surely make tissue ontologically unhealthy...

Going deeper with drawing the line when removal of healthy tissue becomes unhealthy... that Meiwes case was extreme one I brought in. There is a wiki article about that case.

Certainly, desire to loose healthy tissue can not be considered normal, but there might be objective reasons as we know. I think often, what if I can be cured from desire to loose my balls? Is that ok? Or is it altering my personality? There have been times in my life I have hated my homosexuality and all my weirdnesses to death. If cure was available at a time I certainly would have chosen to be cured.

Or how much tissue it is acceptable to remove? One leg? both legs and hands? When such a desire becomes a "mental disorder"?

Kind of philosophical thinking here.

erikboy (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:52 pm Going deeper with drawing the line when removal of healthy tissue becomes unhealthy... that Meiwes case was extreme one I brought in. There is a wiki article about that case.

Certainly, desire to loose healthy tissue can not be considered normal, but there might be objective reasons as we know. I think often, what if I can be cured from desire to loose my balls? Is that ok? Or is it altering my personality? There have been times in my life I have hated my homosexuality and all my weirdnesses to death. If cure was available at a time I certainly would have chosen to be cured.

Or how much tissue it is acceptable to remove? One leg? both legs and hands? When such a desire becomes a "mental disorder"?

Kind of philosophical thinking here.

I am clearly approaching this from a potentially different perspective. I believe:

The liberty of the wise is more valuable than any suffering of the foolish.

What a person wants is entirely theirs to define.

If one person is confused as to what they want, that confusion discredits the certainty of nobody else.

Any circumstances could change in unforeseeable ways, but a decision made authentically in a time ought to be appreciated in its context.

The value of a person is measured solely in their closeness to realising their (archetypal) Form, not through productivity, conformity or the satisfaction of others who would exploit them.

For those interested in this thread there are a number of news websites, including the BBC, covering the start of the trail. As would be expected the charges against the accused are very serious and include Grievous Bodily Harm with Intent, Some of these reports bizarrely suggest that one of the GBH charges that the ringleader faces is for being involved in amputation of his own leg, along one of his co-accused who assisted him.If this is the correct assessment of the legal situation, then as an example, anyone guilty of injecting CaCl2 into their testicles had better keep very quiet about what they are doing, in case they are grassed up by a copper's nark and get a long prison sentence for their troubles. .

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Losethem (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:14 pm So, what do these people do when it's a little girl getting molested by a straight man? It's the same crime, only the genders are different. Answer: *crickets* At least in comparison.

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And if the girl is a bit older, they try justifying it by claiming her skirt was too short, or her behavior too sexy, and the poor man "just couldn't control himself."

If you are a detective with the Rochdale police and the men are Asian and the girls young and white, you do absolutely nothing!

So I missed the opportunity to travel to the UK and literally drop off Ranger?! Imagine if he were presented in this case as evidence. Gives me a tingle.