I remember a bar in the Colorado Rockies popular because of the big dance floor. When you went in the men's room, the door swung to the left and the urinals were on the right wall so when some guy walked in, you could look out to ladies walking further down the hall to the ladies room and they would smile at you. There was a bar in Guanajato, Mexico which bypassed all that and put the urinal at the end of the bar.

Those bars and men s rooms sound like my kind of place ! See what fun us men can have to stand n whip out ourr dicks iin front of everyone just to take a simple piss ? I hear men in some countries just drop pants and piss anywhere in public, even some european big cities. Or have open walk up outdoor public urinals on city streets with other people walking by on the sidewalks like its nothing to stand and piss in public lol.

Gay bathouses and health clubs are the ultimate in wide open and no holes barred fun lol. You all need to try those out to see wild bathrooms and showers beyond imagination.

Man those first ultra religious puritans still haunt and repress our current American sexual freedoms and body images, don t they ?

Hmm its funny, In all my life I never stopped and had a chat to someone while I was standing at a urinal other than a 'heya' or something similar. I never used a stall unless I had to, or the urinals were full in which case it was just pissing in the stall with the door open. Probably the most social thing I ever did like that was maybe drunken pissing contests other than that I was never really in situations where it was normal to just flop it out and wave it around.

I will admit, It definitely is a hell of a lot easier just being able to whip it out for a piss though.

Hey, you missed out on all that great male bonding. Living in tight quarters with large groups of men for years, you do everything together and think nothing of it. We were always talking and interacting during every activity. You simply get used to being naked daily in groups and its no big deal to talk no matter what you re doing. You re surrounded by men 24 hours a day no matter what, so its just natural to get comfortable with every male bodily function that we all had to do daily with zero privacy and always together. You couldn t be alone even if you ever wanted to be. I really missed that later in life.

Civilian life is so much colder and lonely with most men being so antisocial and even afraid of other men. Its a shame seeing men not talking and interacting like brothers as all us men should.

While I never served in the armed forces, in the construction industry I have spent a lot of time in 'male only' work camps so i understand a lot of what you mean. As a supervisor ive always been lucky to have my own accommodation and wash facilities though so maybe I missed out haha.

I definitely enjoyed and still do enjoy to some extent the bonding and brotherhood of being in a close group of guys and not having a penis hasnt changed that. Obviously im a bit careful about some things but all in all its good to be able to have my cake and eat it too so to speak haha

cutnbulls2ox (imported) wrote: Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:35 pm Hey, you missed out on all that great male bonding. Living in tight quarters with large groups of men for years, you do everything together and think nothing of it. We were always talking and interacting during every activity. You simply get used to being naked daily in groups and its no big deal to talk no matter what you re doing. You re surrounded by men 24 hours a day no matter what, so its just natural to get comfortable with every male bodily function that we all had to do daily with zero privacy and always together. You couldn t be alone even if you ever wanted to be. I really missed that later in life.

Civilian life is so much colder and lonely with most men being so antisocial and even afraid of other men. Its a shame seeing men not talking and interacting like brothers as all us men should.

I agree, in my experience, most men don't talk at the urinals or even in communal showers. They are most comfortable at the sinks in bathrooms where nudity is not involved.

So for those of you with a vagina now. Can you explain what it feels like to have one? What's it feel like to pee with one? What's it feel like being flat down there and to have panties that fit? If you got the chance to explain what it feels like to your yourself before the operation... What woyld you tell yourself? Just curious, have any of you tried peeing standing up after the operation? Just for shits and giggles? Thats one of the reasons I want the op. I want to be flat and to never be able to pee standing again. I think it would be fun to try it standing just to see that I cant. Also have you noticed a difference bodily to synthetic hormones compared to natural. Sorry for odd questions. I know Ill probably have more.

Hi Bilwillams. Hmm its pretty hard to explain what its like to be honest. Surreal is probably the closest description although inconvenient, and different do come to mind. That isn't to say I don't enjoy it, but to be honest I didn't have my surgery just so I could sit to pee and have a flat front. Trust me those things are real novelties immediately post op but they wear off pretty quickly. Having to sit to pee is a huge inconvenience, especially if you are a man and don't want others to find out about your lack of male junk. Public restrooms are dirty, lack of toilet paper is a pain and having to squat behind a tree on a long car drive isn't that much fun.

From a practicality point of view, sitting to pee is messier and wetter and as your pee hole is lower than where it used to be, its a bit surreal getting your head around it at times. I have peed standing up a few times in the shower and even in a urinal once due to mostly to lack of options. Its a novelty sure but its awkward and messy and about all it does is reinforce the point that your anatomy really isn't suited for standing to pee anymore.

Synthetic hormones are pretty close to real I think and the only slight difference I noticed was that my bodyhair was a bit more coarse which isn't exactly a big issue.

To be honest id think pretty hard before you commit to anything, have you considered being nullo rather than having a vagina? Having a vagina is a lot more than just having to sit to pee and no bulge in your undies. You can achieve that with good tucking already.

All the best whatever you decide though

Thank you for answering my questions!

A little bit about my history. I've been wanting to be a girl since I was 4. I had a dream I was one and was so happy in that dream. Ever since then I've just wanted to be one. I remember being in kindergarten and my best friend gave me an Aladdin genie lamp. This was right around the time that Disney movie came out and I was a child. So I remember being in my room rubbing on it wishing I would become a girl. I would wish and wish and would look in the mirror just to be disappointed. Fast forward to puberty. When I first started "exploring my manhood" I remember fantasizing about swapping bodies with my next door neighbor who was female. It wasn't even that sexual. I just fantasized about doing girl stuff. Wearing bras, peeing, painting nails, hanging out with girlfriends and etc.

Now currently I'm 28 and single. I have been in relationships before but I really hated it. I think I just did it because that's just what people do. Honestly, I think I would've transitioned if it wasn't for my father. He's honestly a great dad in every way except being open minded to this stuff. I just don't think I could imagine telling him I'm a woman on the inside. I've always tried to do male things to convince myself otherwise. I wish I didn't do that. I feel like it would've been so much easier to sprinkle feminine things in so it wouldn't be such a shock. I'm also their only child so that makes it even tougher. Not to mention my father is highly conservative. I remember him throughout my life making off putting remarks about transgender individuals. "Why would any guy cut off his dick..." and etc and it just killed me. Like ya who would want to do that? Not me...*cough*. My mom although proud of me and what I've accomplished in my career and etc would always love me and support me. As much as it would pain her to lose her only son. I do remember she told me she always wanted a son and never a daughter so that always hurt too. Ironically throughout her pregnancy every "Determine the Child's Gender Test" came back a girl.

Over the last couple years though it's getting really bad. I keep downloading gender transformation porn and wishing that was me. I have to remind myself constantly throughout the day "That I like my penis...I like being a guy"....over and over. I honestly don't know what to do anymore. To add insult to injury I'm pretty masculine and good looking for a guy. So I feel guilty about ruining something someone else would kill for. I'm not saying that as a brag, it's actually a determent to my psyche. I have women constantly hitting on me and I just shy away. I'm jealous of them and their bodies, and here they are looking at me as a mate ughh. I honestly don't even know If I would date men or women if I was a female.

So I've been thinking about this for a while.

I asked about peeing sitting down because I want to pee sitting down constantly but sadly I'm well endowed and it always touches the bowl. I want to do that without worry of that happening again.

I also find something extremely feminine about having to wipe and etc. I just want it so bad I ask anyone and everyone who did what you did what it feels like with some hope I build up the courage to do the same.

I do have a couple more questions though.

Does any of your family know about your surgery?

If they don't how hard is it to hide it from them?

Also how did you go about getting the surgery without them or anyone at your work knowing?

Do you where female underwear and etc throughout the day? If so does anyone notice? Or do you where dreaded men;s underwear still? That would be weird for me if I had a vagina.

How hard has it been to keep it a secret?

Thanks so much again!

*Edit* If you don't mind me asking. Why did you get the surgery? If its not for being flat, peeing, matching your outward gender and etc...then I'm curious as to why?

Bilwilliams (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:30 am So for those of you with a vagina now. Can you explain what it feels like to have one? What's it feel like to pee with one? What's it feel like being flat down there and to have panties that fit? If you got the chance to explain what it feels like to your yourself before the operation... What woyld you tell yourself? Just curious, have any of you tried peeing standing up after the operation? Just for shits and giggles? Thats one of the reasons I want the op. I want to be flat and to never be able to pee standing again. I think it would be fun to try it standing just to see that I cant. Also have you noticed a difference bodily to synthetic hormones compared to natural. Sorry for odd questions. I know Ill probably have more.

Bilwilliams Since I have a vagina for quite a while now it feels perfectly normal. I now pee with what seems a stronger stream and finish without dribbles . However the stream wets my labia and I have to wipe. Nothing to shake. Being flat and having no dangly bits and wearing panties that fit is, I imagine, a plus. Since I was a eunuch for years I wore only male underwear and never wore panties before SRS. All I know is that they fit me well and are comfortable. I can pee standing up and you will also but it is quite an operation. I must be nude below the waist and stand with a leg either side of the toilet bowl. My pee goes straight down but one can miss the bowl at the start. I did it a few times just for fun. Like every other woman I sit to pee. I am on female hrt for years so I dont know how that differs from male hrt. I never took any testosterone except for a very short while after castration as it just gave me a raging libido that I could not relieve. My penis was damaged in the accident and erection and orgasm was impossible.I adjusted and was happy as a eunuch. I started estrogen for bone health and liked the effect even though it snowballed to the extent that I very quickly developesd a large bust ( all the women in my family are well endowed in the bust department) and I wanted to adjust my lower half to be female as well and had SRS surgery. To my delight I can now orgasm and I love it. I drifted into womanhood more by accident than design. Growing up I never felt that I was trapped in the wrong body but I love my female body and would not go back to being an intact man if that were even possible. I am still sexually attracted to women and since my partner is a lesbian it is perfect for both of us. Hope that answers your questions