It is an inconvenience, not a punishment to the students. It is more of a punishment to the teachers and professors who might have their classes cut, when the bill comes due.

The students can still go to another school. They might have to travel a bit. The Students have lost nothing. They have gained an inconvenience. That is all.

The only kids that were "punished" were the ones who were victimized by the corrupt system Penn State fostered.

Please stop saying, "Won't somebody please think of the children!"

The kids will be fine. They'll just move to a different school.

Let's let Mrs. Lovejoy from the Simpsons take it from here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

If someone wants to talk innocent victims, talk about those kids who were raped in the name of football glory, or talk about the teachers and professors who did nothing wrong, but might lose their jobs, because of funding cuts. Mrs. Lovejoy has all else covered.

Thank-you.

Mac (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:13 pm But the current students who were never part of it have to pay the price. Is that right?

Mac, one of the rare times we agree.

River

moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:30 pm Design a fair and just punishment.

I believe the University should also pay some of the surrounding communities' economic losses.

Moi

Moi, in this decision everybody is guilty, and don't forget we still have the Justice Departments decision to come down on them and possibly one other agency. The punishment to Penn State is not over, everybody is going to take part of their ass.

Keep in mind, the guilty parties are no longer there.

River

Cainanite (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:59 pm Seeing a school get hit with monetary fines, and being forced to cut back, is NOT equivalent to putting the Japanese Americans into concentration camps.

Those students will be forced to look elsewhere for their education and athletic glory. They are not being rounded up against their will in the name of prejudice and fear.

These are VERY different things.

River, I do see this kind of argument you are making as equivalent to someone in the Tea Party movement, who disagrees with health care reform, calling Obama, Hitler.

The two things are not remotely the same.

It is certainly NOT what Elizabeth is saying at all.

She is saying the whole community practically canonized those involved. They were complicit in this cover-up, even if they knew nothing of it. They refused to hear ANYTHING negative about their heroes, and actively attacked people who spoke out.

That this community is now being inconvenienced for worshiping Penn State's golden calf, does not break my heart.

Inconvenience is a lot different from persecution. In my mind, it is a fair price to pay for their part in the whole mess.

Yeah, what he said.

Elizabeth

Mac (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:13 pm But the current students who were never part of it have to pay the price. Is that right?

Simply going there makes one a part of it. They are going to Penn State in part because of the prestige and money that the football program provided. Again, it sounds as if you are saying that they behaved correctly because so many students benefited from it. The end justifies the means? That kind of thing? There are lots of good universities out there that do not have football teams. I am certain one can get an education without football. But ill gotten gains are ill gotten gains. No matter what. Kids were raped to provide those scholarships. Are you saying it's worth it? That Penn State should continue to worship football teams no matter the cost? Because they provide scholarships? The point of Universities is to provide education. If they can't find a better way to finance their scholarships then sacrificing kids to a pedophile, they are in the wrong business. It's the equivalent of slavery. Every person who went to Penn State on a scholarship paid for with football money or planned on going there on football generated money, are all culpable. We do not allow people to keep ill gotten gains and that is what these scholarships are. The current students are a part of it, it's their school, they are the ones who will or will not benefit from the name on their degrees. I see no one that is innocent, being harmed with this punishment. If you buy a stolen car you don't get to keep it because it's not fair.

Elizabeth

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:58 am Moi, in this decision everybody is guilty, and don't forget we still have the Justice Departments decision to come down on them and possibly one other agency. The punishment to Penn State is not over, everybody is going to take part of their ass.

Keep in mind, the guilty parties are no longer there.

River

I sure hope you are right.

Elizabeth

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:58 am Moi, in this decision everybody is guilty, and don't forget we still have the Justice Departments decision to come down on them and possibly one other agency. The punishment to Penn State is not over, everybody is going to take part of their ass.

Keep in mind, the guilty parties are no longer there.

River

The "institution" type thinking that harbored the guilty parties is still there.

It will be exorcised.

How do you recommend this be done?

Moi