I have been giving further thought to whether a eunuch is a man or not. He is definitely a human male. A steer is a male bovine but is not a bull. A gelding is a male horse but not a stallion and so on. A castrated man is a eunuch. I would be offended if my friends thought of me as a man,which I used to be,but now clearly am not. I do not, nor should anybody, feel diminished by being a Eunuch and I belive that any moron who insults a Eunuch and thinks of himself as superior is unsure of his own sexuality and feels threatened by what for him is his most primitave fear,castration.

punkypink (imported) wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:23 pm What about a genetic female dressed, looks, acts and sounds like a guy in the restroom? What if it was a cisgendered genetic female who's a drag king?

I have no idea, Emily. I imagine that I'd find another place to go potty in the case where a genetic female appeared as a guy. There's an old saying, "If it looks like a duck and quack's like a duck...." But this is all theoretical. I've never had it actually happen. Sometimes I react differently from the way I imagine I would. And I'm not sure what cisgendered means. There are some women who look like women but make me uncomfortable with their actions, so it's not just a gender thing.

Please understand, also, that I was discussing my (theoretical) reactions specifically in the context of encountering people in the ladies' restroom. There are many people I like, and even have affection for, whom I would not want to find in the stall next to me in the restroom. In other contexts, I get along fine with people of all sorts. I have no issues with people who look male or female or androgynous, be they straight, gay or not interested in sex at all. I'm not drawn to people who are rude, cruel or are looking for a fight, regardless of appearance.

Sandi

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Gosh, this thread has gone way off topic.

--LT

The word, "man" has so many varied and divergent definitions that I have a simple remedy regarding whether a eunuch is, or is not, a man.

I ask the eunuch.

If I were to be asked, I would reply, "What meaning of 'eunuch' and what meaning of 'man' do you prefer that I use in answering your question?"

Am I a man? Yes and no and whatever. Am I a eunuch? I guess so. Am I something else? I suppose so.

What am I?

I am a valid person.

Back on topic?

C&TL2745 (imported) wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:24 am I have no idea, Emily. I imagine that I'd find another place to go potty in the case where a genetic female appeared as a guy. There's an old saying, "If it looks like a duck and quack's like a duck...." But this is all theoretical. I've never had it actually happen. Sometimes I react differently from the way I imagine I would. And I'm not sure what cisgendered means. There are some women who look like women but make me uncomfortable with their actions, so it's not just a gender thing.

Please understand, also, that I was discussing my (theoretical) reactions specifically in the context of encountering people in the ladies' restroom. There are many people I like, and even have affection for, whom I would not want to find in the stall next to me in the restroom. In other contexts, I get along fine with people of all sorts. I have no issues with people who look male or female or androgynous, be they straight, gay or not interested in sex at all. I'm not drawn to people who are rude, cruel or are looking for a fight, regardless of appearance.

Sandi

Let's just hope so hmm? Let's just hope so.

Personally, I wouldn't bat an eyelid if someone who looked like a guy walked into the female toilet. Unless he actually tried something funny, I am frankly not fussed. It might be odd, granted, but that's about it.

And also, do put yourself in the shoes of others in future and see how they may have felt about something you have said, to see if they're really being rude, cruel or looking for a fight, or if you've said something that is genuinely hurtful that you may not have realised could be to them.

jako9999 (imported) wrote: Wed Feb 15, 2012 3:03 am Sorry this has probably been on here before. I was a bit hurt yesturday when someone I didnt know in a group said I was no loger a man and he ment it and was realy negative towards me. I stood up for us all and said I am among the elite group (then through my pint at him not realy) So ok may be here is correct my nuts are gone which iam still very happy about but I have 3 children, a dick, like sex and feel and look the same apart from a slightly smaller bulg in the trousers.

So officialy what am I apart from special and amongst freinds.

Thanks

I'd think if you are a father and you had been able to have three children and you had raised them up as their father, then beyond any doubt whatsoever you are a man. No question. And elderly men always will lose their reproductive capacity for fatherhood anyway. You're just a step ahead of your peers is all. With most other eunuchs it's not always easy to define whether a eunuch should be a male or female within our binary society. But just because you've lost the jewels doesn't mean anything given that you've recieved all of your masculine developement and have had children and even much more importantly have raised them too.

Punkypink has persuaded me in her many posts that gender is an identity, not an anatomy. If you feel like a man, and have played a man's part in society, then you are a man. That said, a man who didn't know you might think that opting for castration signified your rejection of masculinity, or at least a deep ambiguity about your identity. Many people, maybe most people, can not tolerate ambiguity. They prefer clear and simple identifications that do not require thought and do not provoke anxiety. What sort of group was this? Had you any reason to expect this man to understand your choice? Do not expect ordinary people, unprepared for the extraordinary, to be as accepting as they should be.

I played the part of a man in society and that did not make me a man. So I would keep the definition simple. You are whatever you believe yourself to be. You have no control; however, if others believe you to be something else. In the end, what you believe about yourself is your reality.

Elizabeth

Well, since the original subject has diverged, I'm wondering if you call a female who had a hysterectomy including having her ovaries removed, a eunuch? It's logical and though you might not see many or any outward signs of the ovarian castration, there are a number of changes that are similar to a man being castrated. Hot flashes, lack of sexual desire, depression, etc.