I think that in most cases sex and money are the two elephants in the room before marriage. Most couples do not really talk about it. Are we going to have an open or closed marriage? In either case will we go for vanilla or kink? What career path do you want to follow and will that make enough money to satisfy me? Are you going to throw away that list of sex acts that you and your girlfriends decided you would never do? How much money will satisfy you? Do you REALLY want children?

They don't ask the questions or if they do they give the answers they think the other wants to hear. Since they haven't been honest before the marriage, after the honeymoon they find that he or she "changed". His desires are unreasonable. All she wants is "Bonanza sex". He's lost his ambition. She thinks of me as a remodeling project.

I don't think that most couples seriously discuss anything past the wedding and the honeymoon. Maybe, if they did, there would be fewer marriages, but those that married would be truly aware of the commitment they were making. When I was younger I had that serious discussion with a couple of young women that wanted to marry me, and thankfully, they ran for the hills.

Now, in the case of Arnie and Maria, I'm sure that the discussion took place, along with their lawyers, since they probably had a pre-nup. So, I don't think that there were any real surprises between them. Between a rich couple there is no betrayal, only breach of contract.

Just for reference, I have been married to the same woman for over 40 years.

moi621 (imported) wrote: Sun May 22, 2011 10:51 pm Several members of the Turk opposition were "busted" for unapproved heterosexual, sexual activity.

Strauss-Kahn is said to be the leader of the French opposition.

Coincidence or "set ups"?

I can just imagine Doonesbury character, Duke, running an enterprise of bringing down opposition by sexual disgrace, for a price.

Too much anti Alpha Male bigotry and intolerance.

Maybe we need a day of the year to honor Alpha Males.

Alpha Male Pride Parades and such. Sure seems like Alpha Males are taking a beating world wide.

Moi

Populist opposed to the feminization and wusification of my country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBcHUe4WeQ

Moi,

Turkey is not the only country with this problem...

CLICK HERE.... (http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=20619)

coinflipper_21 (imported) wrote: Wed May 25, 2011 10:33 am Just for reference, I have been married to the same woman for over 40 years.

Moi, here is a TRUE Alpha Male.

River

W. C. Fields said something like;

"When I use a word it means what I want it to mean, it is a matter of whether the man controls the word or the word controls the man."

Alpha Male was introduced to refer to those men who have a compulsion to have sex with female conquests. The Gay community was not considered.

The Minnesota Twin Studies, studies on criminal tendencies from Denmark, brain anatomy and sexuality, certainly argue that people are pre wired.

John Steinbeck even dedicates East of Eden to this pre wiring and that it is harder for some to over come but, Genesis says it may be over come.

Now what is worth over coming as may result in one feeling unfulfilled?

1) A victim for sure. Such as a child or use of coercion by force or other pressures.

Whether the spouse who has been cheated is a victim; it is between the couple. Like Hillary and Bill. Their business. Same for Arnold and Maria.

For further consideration, here is an article from a Woman's Health rag.

http://www.womenshealthmag.com/sex-and- ... nder-roles

BTW a friend has holdings in Thailand and lives there half the year. He says the women complain their men are too wusified and the ladies he meets goal in life is to be a good wife. He ain't gonna marry one but was impressed enough to initiate discussion of it with me.

One last point. REMEMBER, the feminist movement was led by Lesbians, not females seeking a new definition of a healthy heterosexual relationship. As in go buy your gold fish a bicycle.

Making Alpha Male extinct makes sense from some aggressive points of view. <hint>

Moi

PS

Message 44 above is over the line.

No purpose to the thread. Just Personal.

What is that type called on the internet again? ?

Starts with a "t".

"someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community,"

Request #44 be deleted by a mod. Thank You

moi,

I AM sorry. I have not been very kind to you. I would have deleted this post, but the message board won't let me because it has been to long since I posted it.

So, please accept my apology, it was meant in FUN, you see. ...I tried to delete it, really I did. Maybe a moderator will do it for us...

Thanks for being decent enough to apologize, A-1. You may rage and rant, but you have a good heart, and you're no ideologue. We all know several regulars here who have NEVER admitted being wrong about anything.

bobover3 (imported) wrote: Sat May 28, 2011 8:51 pm Thanks for being decent enough to apologize, A-1. You may rage and rant, but you have a good heart, and you're no ideologue. We all know several regulars here who have NEVER admitted being wrong about anything.

Thank you.

There is no better way to teach than by example...

moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri May 20, 2011 4:42 pm Bring back the institutions of whore houses and mistresses for those as can afford them.

There absence from society has been relatively recent.

Moi

They're not absent as far as I know. Most massage parlors provide sexual services, craigslist has become a virtual whorehouse, the dominatrixes I visit usually own a house together in a suburban neighborhood, etc.

I don't think attitudes have really changed that much -- always technically illegal, always there.

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Sun May 29, 2011 8:49 am They're not absent as far as I know. Most massage parlors provide sexual services, craigslist has become a virtual whorehouse, the dominatrixes I visit usually own a house together in a suburban neighborhood, etc.

I don't think attitudes have really changed that much -- always technically illegal, always there.

Except for a rare occurrence in Nevada, such places are shady and carry the threat of being busted as a customer.

Can we get 'real'? Upfront places for alpha males to relieve themselves.

For a good time, Google "warrior gene". Consider.

Where no victim is defined government has no prohibition role. <period>

Licensing and regulation for the public health is always a better approach.

Now what is going to happen to all thos XX genotypes who were programmed (wired) to be Mistresses, as second wives visited Friday night?

It is a French thing, lost the last fifty years.

POINT: Society keeps promoting restrictions on "appropriate" behavior as deprives the same society of the benefits their defined misfits offer society.

Ref.: Gay Community and the Arts.

When I watch Auntie Mame with Rosalind Russell

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051383/

I remember my childhood in the Hollywood Hills with less obvious eccentricities but understandings of who was a "girl friend, not wife", and otherwise. My parents were straight. I am sure. No games. But my father missed Europe and such artsy fartsy types were Euro. My mother got along with a classical education as first American born generation.

I mean I never grew up thinking someone was not right because of a victimless crime. Just some personal sharing, apologies.

Moi

moi,

You live a sheltered life. (well, maybe... )

The world that you say that does not exist is right before your eyes but invisible to you... CLICK HERE... (http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/den/415707529.html)

...methodologies... (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 007AAlIevT)

Although Craig's List is down, for the most part, there are others...

Just go looking around on the Internet, I am sure that you can find anything that you want, that is, if you truly want something...

I suspect that you do not, though, you just want to make a point. Me? I am happy at home... a homebody as it were...

You can probably get by with this as long as you are not a celebrity or a politician.

It will cost you some bucks, though. Still, a one night stand a few times a year probably won't break you up...