The field of psychology (psychoanalysis) was started by one man, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud, anything, and this includes by inference, modern "technology", culture, and most of the things we think of as "a normal part of out life" today, is not even out of it's "infancy". Similarly, doctor's today "practice" medicine. Human practices take time to mature. Compare our growing of crops (enough to feed 7 billion now), history of 7000 plus years, or our domestication of animals, especially dogs, thousands of years older then crops. If this society lasts a few thousand years, VERY doubtful, then it will have matured, and the fields that it has founded will also mature. During that time, if it happens, I suspect there will no longer be a Moral Majority

It may happen that the work I have done and continue to do as a scientist/engineer may help resolve the issues raised on this thread.

I began studying psychoanalytic theory while in third grade, doing so because it seemed to me that there was something about human society which was destroying human society and would continue doing so until an intelligible and testable-verifiable understanding of said "something which was destroying human society" was developed and implemented.

It had come to my awareness that something about human society might be in desperate need of being repaired as I began to make sense of words, well before I began talking, early during World War II, and long before December 7, 1941.

Engineering has two complementary aspects, which need to be done accurately if public safety is to prevail, and without which engineering tends to engineer disasters. Those aspects are analysis and synthesis. Without accurate analysis, synthesis tends to rapidly go amok. Without accurate synthesis, outcomes tend to rapidly go amok.

If the design goal is a safe human society, both analysis and synthesis need to be accurately accomplished.

I would surmise that the words I have here written and posted might seem like an exercise of psychotic madness to some folks. However, the work I do is actually real, and I have actually worked at understanding why traditional psychoanalysis sometimes results in "things" getting much worse than they were before psychoanalysis. Psychoanalysis tends, in my experience and observation, to become harmful, and even catastrophically damaging, when the analysis is very inaccurate.

Some years ago, with conscious, deliberate intent, I set out to reverse-engineer human society into its structure (entities, constructs, and their relationships) with the goal of learning whether the aspects of human society which portend the destruction of human society can be made intelligibly understandable to the extent necessary for repairing human society so its proclivity for destroying itself, and, in the process, all living humans, might usefully become relegated only to history books.

Following my colectomy with ileo-rectal anastomosis in 1986, it appears that some combination of general anesthesia and morphine prescribed for post-surgical pain led to my observing that my brain had ceased functioning in ways I deemed adequately safe, and I set out to find asylum (places of adequate safety) with unstoppable resolve. I had known people who were murdered and the people who murdered the people I knew, and I resolved, without limit on my part, to never, never ever, take the sort of path that would plausibly lead to my being murdered in consequence of my own actions and especially never, never ever, ever take the path that might lead me toward murdering.

Asylum, places of safety, that I could find were of the psychiatric hospital variety of social institution. For about three years, I was a psychiatric inpatient alternating with being a psychiatric outpatient, and psychotropic medications were prescribed the conditions the psychiatrists thought I had, but did not have. After three years on a variety of psychotropic medications, I had become oriented times zero, with a form of demential superficially resembling very advanced Alzheimer's Disorder. In the summer of 1989, I was rapidly taken off all the psychotropic medications, and, in two months or so, my tested (WAIS-R) IQ score had skyrocketed to about 70, and I was deemed capable of living at home once more.

The rehabilitation folks to whom I had access regarded me as being damaged beyond anything they could do, and I was refused rehabilitation help. So, I set out to devise my own rehab program, which, about a year later, resulted in my getting a Mensa-qualifying WAIS-R IQ score. In 1998, I was awarded a doctorate by a "major research university" and the dissertation which allowed me to get the doctorate was in large measure a form of autobiography of my life and my encounter with psychoanalysis which I experienced as very damaging and psychoanalysis which I experienced as profoundly healing.

For what it may be worth, and in the interest of minimizing being misunderstood, I am a member of the Association for Psychological Science.

I find I have been met with about as much damage from the psychology-psychiatry industry as I could survive, and about as much help from the psychology-psychiatry industry as I needed to continue living.

Todd,

Do you see body modification as part of the maturing process for a society? Usually it is seen in societies that are condescendingly called " primitive"?

any fully mature species must come to grip with its own innate drives, accept them, embrace them. there are three basic drives in any form of animal on this planet. Those are, to breath, to eat, to reproduce. to deny ones sexuality will cause insanity in the individual or collectively in a culture or species. human cultures seldom embrace their sexuality. An extension of ones sexuality is the human drive to make oneself noticed along different pathways. Part of this is the aspect of humans to modify or adorn their body. this adornment is an extension of the subliminal sexual being within that person. Cultural acceptance of such modification is a process that might take us in the direction of becoming a mature species

I miss Robyn *sigh*

Todd

Are you closer to your castration?Will you do it soon?

Mac, I am very curious who you are. At the earliest, it will be in February 2012

Todd, I was at your house several times at your invitation to see you and Robyn. One time I came up and you and Robyn invited me to stay for spaghetti dinner but, unfortunately, I had to drive back home to San Bernardino.

I'm the old guy with glasses and the white beard. Though today, the hair and beard are much longer.

Is there special significance for that data, or time of year, or strictly a logistics consideration?

ToddBertrang (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:31 pm Mac, I am very curious who you are. At the earliest, it will be in February 2012

Todd, I was at your house

at your invitation, in Santa Clarita, several times for get togethers. I enjoyed meeting you and seeing Robyn naked I was the old teacher with glasses and a grey beard.

Mac, I cannot remember you. February works best for me with my work