This morning on Meet the Press there was a Minister, who has written a book, best seller next to the Bible. It was refreshing to hear a man of the cloth speak out on fundamentalists. He said, fundamentalists, are closed minded and wrong and that they are in every group, Christian, Muslim, Jews, Atheist, all. All are closed to anything that is different from there own belief.

River

That was Rick Warren on meet the press this morning. My point was that Jesus asks us not to be judgemental of others. "For all have sin and fallen short of the lord".

P, while I agree the spirit of the quote, once again, it is not Jesus speaking here but St. Paul to the Romans. I just prefer the words of Jesus to the writings of others trying to sort out what Jesus is all about.

M

Phole (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:47 am That was Rick Warren on meet the press this morning. My point was that Jesus asks us not to be judgemental of others. "For all have sin and fallen short of the lord".

tugon (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:30 pm I have been invited to churches as a gay man. Of course once welcomed the church is willing to help me change. When they want me to change I know they think I am wrong. That is when I know they are wrong. I hope your church is not like the ones I have experienced.

Maybe they just want to help you "CHANGE" your clothes... you know, just to scope things out... to perhaps help you color & style coordinate...

Simple.

All Christianities are merely Jewish heresies.

Their problems can be solved with a return to Judaism.

Moi

That which you find offensive, do not do to others.

All else is commentary.

Rabbi Hillel

he was, BC.

Misha999 (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:21 pm P, while I agree the spirit of the quote, once again, it is not Jesus speaking here but St. Paul to the Romans. I just prefer the words of Jesus to the writings of others trying to sort out what Jesus is all about.

Big cheer for Misha!

If you care to page through the New Testament, those are the only things to stare at, and the worries about 2,000 years of copy-editing and mistranslations still come up.

Just a couple items. One, I rarely have trouble posting on the forums when I come out from lurking...except when I am writing something either against gay marriage or about gays in general. It's funny that's the only time I have technical issues with my web browser.

Second, this topic is about the Catholic Church's response to a situation. The Catholic Church does not believe that all holy truth comes from the bible. In addition to Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium in the form of the Pope and the Council of Bishops also define and reveal holy truth.

Thirdly, there are a large number of disaffected Anglicans. If the Anglican leadership is changing doctrine and losing touch with some of its members, why shouldn't they be able to stop attending or find a church that does? The Anglican liturgy uses an ancient form of the Catholic liturgy that is still valid, so there is no issue in letting them retain it. If modern catholic teaching about female priests and homosexuals is what these disaffected anglicans believe in, why shouldn't they be invited to come over? Somehow I don't think you would call it opportunistic for Catholics to leave the church if they wanted to support homosexuality and female ordination.

Fourth, the problem is mostly with homosexual priests. The vast majority of victims in the US are sexually mature young men. It wasn't pre-pubescent boys. Also, if you look at the timeline that the abuse takes place, you'll see that it was low in the fifties, rose in the 60s and 70s during the sexual revolution and with the increase in the number in homosexual priests, then goes down again in the 80s and 90s as the sexual revolution passed and less homosexuals entered.

Finally, it's a little unfair to slam the pope for being a member of the hitler youth, as it was compulsory for all german youth. When push came to shove and Benedict was drafted into the military and ordered to attack the allies, he elected to defect and turn himself over as a prisoner.

Lil--4, You're spot on in your observation of what the RCC bases its faith upon. Of course the "tradition" part has morphed into a much more rigid

mode of practice than was originally observed.

However, I wonder how the Anglican priests will react to the Mass in a "new" form that switches focus from a sacrificial worship form to a "common" meal celebration. There are a few shifts in dogma in the RCC Mass ritual too which the converts may have difficulty with. But I suspect the revulsion vis-a-vis homosexuals will smooth over any pangs of theological conscience they may feel.

But this kerfluffle is meaningless. The Anglican converts (if any) will do what thy do and Rome with 2000+ years behind it will sail on above the fray. The only thing that influences Rome nowadays is the size of local congregations. See y'all in church and don't forget your envelopes!

M