maybelater (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:37 am This semantic "argument" can never be resolved so please get back to the original question.

Hmm...

Maybe later.

I think that the use and the misuse of the word "ladyboy" mirrors that of the use and the misuse of the word "eunuch". There has been a lot of discussion about the use of "eunuch" right here in EA before. I really do think "ladyboy" is a legitamate term as is "eunuch". A lot of terms do get misused and destroyed though. I do not define "ladyboy" as any simple MtF or any simple crossdresser though and I do think that doing so is a misuse of that term. There are males who through no fault of their own cannot physically grow up and in fact do take on feminine characteristics. I mentioned one before here involving the chromosomes "XXy". And there are others. For a real man to simply crossdress and then maybe masturbate is NOT a "ladyboy" any more than "karma" refers to "luck" as a lot of ignorant thoughtless English speakers do use them. It is true that these terms are often misused. I certainly don't go out to the world proclaiming that I am a "eunuch" or a "ladyboy". If they do question me about my age sometimes I go ahead and tell them that I am the difference of 13 per certain organs and 51 per chronology which is 32 and which is more what I look like. I would get snickers and even worse if I said that I was a "eunuch" and the same for goes for the term "ladyboy".

helsinki (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:31 am "androgyne", the first hundred google hits are all respectable. I hope that in the future, the word "androgyne" does not develop unpleasant connotations, or I will have to relabel myself!

Not to be offensive, but you do realize androgyne means "manwoman" in Greek, essentially "ladyboy" in reverse.

maybelater (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:37 am Maybe sometime we can get back to Kellyslarkin's original question.

For now I think it is impossible to find any name that would make everyone comfortable. Context and personal preference are too subjective and variable to be able to settle on one name for anything. Maybe just some purely descriptive words or phrase would be ok (it would not be very concise, or easy to speak, or poetically evocative). But it would probably not offend anyone. How does smooth-crotched-men-with-boobs sound ?

(Is that what Kellyslarkin would like ?)

This semantic "argument" can never be resolved so please get back to the original question.

How about this new title?

bobbie (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:10 am If I understand the question right. He wants to see photo's of a transgendered MTF. With just the male organs removed and the skin closed to form just smooth perineum. I assume he would want the prostrate removed. I assume he would have a urthra opening somewhere in the perineum.

The photo's can be found on the internet. Just have to do some searching. Would be in some porn site. Would think some Transgendered site. The chance of another member in here with the same desires I would think would be very low.

You make a lot of assumptions.

I'm not looking for porn, although I did look at that as a potential source, and found what I'm looking for simply isn't there. If I did want porn, wouldn't I just take a photo of someone and photoshop it into a perfectly smooth crotch, or end up with someone else's attempt at the same? That's not what I'm interested in.

I'm just trying to understand why there are no tangible (i.e. non-fetish story) accounts, photos, or otherwise of a particular class of people who by all socio-medical-sexual-economic reasons, should exist, even are well represented in the [TG] category stories here.

Perhaps English is the problem. English definitely acts as a bias filter.

My question is essentially, where are the TG women who have smooth, no genital crotches, is that truly desired by anyone (some positive answers here), is that actually done, and if so, are they happy with the results?

kellyslarkin (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:00 pm You make a lot of assumptions.

I'm not looking for porn, although I did look at that as a potential source, and found what I'm looking for simply isn't there. If I did want porn, wouldn't I just take a photo of someone and photoshop it into a perfectly smooth crotch, or end up with someone else's attempt at the same? That's not what I'm interested in.

I'm just trying to understand why there are no tangible (i.e. non-fetish story) accounts, photos, or otherwise of a particular class of people who by all socio-medical-sexual-economic reasons, should exist, even are well represented in the [TG] category stories here.

Perhaps English is the problem. English definitely acts as a bias filter.

I think by now if anyone in this site knew of anyone would have contacted you. What you seek is a very special type of person. This site is mostly towards castration. We have many fine TG ladies in here as well. You may want to try a Yahoo message site.

kellyslarkin (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:00 pm My question is essentially, where are the TG women who have smooth, no genital crotches, is that truly desired by anyone (some positive answers here), is that actually done, and if so, are they happy with the results?

As to your questions I do not think you will find them here. Sorry

How about this new title?

Definately better.

I do think that we got a great chance to get some education done as to why the usage of some terms should not be encouraged, and the sort of crass superficiality that goes into the acceptance of such terms. Whilst not everyone is convinced or has learnt, if I have gotten through to even one person I think it's worth it.

helsinki (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:31 am What about people such as myself whose identities do not fit into exactly one of the two genders of the binary system? I use the word "androgyne" to describe myself rather than words such as "shemale" or "ladyboy".

Not knowing you personally or what your actual status is, I have a new word for you, if you absolutely feel you must have a label, maybe this helps:

pathogyne: one who feels they are a woman

actually, the google search for that sucks, it mistakes it for a mistype of pathogen. Rather unfortunate, I thought I invented a nice word free of confusion. Seems that is impossible. Maybe Latin.

femisentient: same definition

feminate: being feminine (but not necessarily female)?

punkypink (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:52 pm Definately better.

I do think that we got a great chance to get some education done as to why the usage of some terms should not be encouraged, and the sort of crass superficiality that goes into the acceptance of such terms. Whilst not everyone is convinced or has learnt, if I have gotten through to even one person I think it's worth it.

You are to be congratulated. Thankyou. Thanks for challenging the sensationalized nonsense of the original title. And I do apologize if I seemed to have come out as defending the original title for this thread. I wasn't. To me the term smooth-crotched seems rather calloused too.

kellyslarkin (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:13 pm Judging by the relative prominence of Thai SRS surgeons, even the abundant community of adult websites related to mostly pre-op but also some post-op Katoey, one would expect to find at least some who either choose to have no vagina, or don't have sufficient material (or money) to create one and opt simply for penectomy / nullification instead.

Yet it is incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to find any images of smooth, bare crotched Katoey, who simply have no genitals at all. If they exist, as the presence of Classy Bitch suggests, and the procedure is actually listed on their websites, and there are desirable reasons for it, both cosmetically, practically, and monetarily, one would expect to find someone who has had it done. I agree that the artificial vagina does tend to look a bit unseemly, and prefer the look of a completely smooth, genital-free crotch.

One can find nullified men, and if one looks a little harder, nullified women, but what I'd really like to see is what a nullified T-girl looks like. They must exist, right? Where are they? Surely, some Hijra must also be like this, but I think the crudeness of the operation would leave an unseemly scar, and it's also difficult to find images of that (despite their apparent public display).

Any ideas?

I've seen one, and have looked at Thai Ladyboy sites off and on hoping to see her photographed again. She only went by the name "C," and was on the Asian Shemales XXX website. There were some videos, a wanking clip which only showed her rubbing her crotch through her panties and one showing her sitting down for a pee, The photographer said she described herself as pre-op but the photog commented she was post-op, but kept her penis because she enjoyed a good wank with it.

What the photo set showed was a ladyboy who appeared to have a normal vulva with the large labia until she spread her legs open and there inside her lips was her small, foreskin covered, penis pointing forward. In the video, when she peed, it was obvious that her urinary opening was still located on her penis and not relocated to her perenium. She does NOT have a vagina.

I saved them and look at them every once-in-a-while. What she had done, by direction to the doctor in Thailand, is quite fascinating for someone who likes the look of femine genitals but isn't interested in becoming a woman in all external ways, i.e. no female urethra and vestibule or vagina, but with a vulva concealing a small functioning penis that is only visible when she wishes it to be.

Christiaan