You know in reading all the posts to this thread I am really impressed that it (1) kept pretty well on topic...and (2) DID NOT degenerate into a mud-slinging shouting match.I think that might be why I keep coming back Dave

sheep79 (imported) wrote: Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:53 pm You know in reading all the posts to this thread I am really impressed that it (1) kept pretty well on topic...and (2) DID NOT degenerate into a mud-slinging shouting match.I think that might be why I keep coming back Dave

No wool slinging either (pun intended)

Danya (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:44 pm Hi MrT,

From what I read and disc

Danya (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:07 pm ussions I have had, including when I was in the ge

nder program at the University of Minnesota, gender identity is unrelated to sexual orientation. I include 'asexual' in sexual orientation.

A eunuch identification, whether gender-related or not, does not preclude sexual expression. Nor is sexuality limited to penile insertion or reception.

There is a lot of literature documenting that some people have very low sex drives. They can be quite happy forgoing sex and may, indeed, identify as asexual. Being asexual, or having any type of sexual expression, is, at best, not closely tied to gender identity.

Danya

I guess I didn't write my post very well. I do think there are valid reasons to wish to be what I will call an Asexual Eunuch. Or maybe a better way to say that is a person with little to no interest in sexual relations. Clearly some of those people that I think fit the bill are the obvious ones. People with wild sex drives that have harmed children for example. I admit to not being as keen on people who just want a "fetish" thing or have odd ideas on how exciting the actual procedure of being rendered testicle free would be. I'm kind of flip flopping on the middle ground. Those people who want to match lack of sex drive with menopausal women for example. For a guy who hasn't had testicles for a while I'm still VERY pro sexual! But of course I'm on HRT in normal adult levels. I'm not down with the BME types that would wish to "modify" themselves by cutting off their testes etc either btw.

While pushing to get a M2E program started at the U sounds all well and good I think there is still a serious issue with the men with Orchialgia who are simply shut out by many surgeons because they are either too obsessed with their own ideas that this is some form of emasculation or focused on "First do no Harm" to the point of not offering a solution that works when other means have failed.

I think that before a push to obtain a classification for M2E people can move forward you have to make some clear distinctions on what this is about. A1s post about not offering any life altering surgery to people with mental illness is well done. I think the problem is that anyone asking for this will be assumed to be a mental patient by some surgeons! I had to prove my own mental health before I was allowed to proceed with what I still think was a fairly mainstream reason for needing / wanting this done.

Pick a few easy groups of men that wish to become Eunuchs. Define the reason for it and the desired outcome. Once you have that spelled out I think you will have a working exception to the no orchiectomy for anything but cancer "rule"

Being a MtF pre-op transsexual who is not on hormones, and an existentialist, I believe that everyone has a right to be who or what they want to be. But having said that, we don't have to die to do that.

Yes, society makes it hard to things that violate the religious beliefs of the majority. Notice it's no problem if one wants to hack their face up, such as Michael Jackson, but if one says they don't want their genitals and suddenly they need their head examined.

The reason I am not on hormones is because I am disabled on Social Security and I can not afford a gender therapist, that would have to approve it. Social Security also won't pay for the hormones or the doctors care and supervision that is required to be on hormones. There is no rational reason this should not be included in my medical care, but that is how it is.

Now I could buy hormones over the internet and there are lots of places that will even tell you how much to take. But the deal is this. The endocrinological system of the body is very delicate and differs greatly from person to person. What is right for one person can kill another. And every year many who do this die from heart attack and strokes brought on by trying to do hormones without the doctors care.

Now if the idea is to be happy? Being dead does not seem very happy to me. So on the transsexual forums I am a member of, as well as the one I help moderate, information on self medicating is not allowed. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be on hormones or being castrated. I think people are pretty good at knowing what makes them happy. But there are ways to do it without dying and when there is not a way to do it, such as in my case, I will keep searching for a way. A chance to live as I wish is worth trying to get because the only other alternative is to die.

Sure, we need to talk about castration and yes we need to talk about our fantasies of what we would like to become and how. But that is why fantasies are fantasies. Not all fantasies can come true. And the ones that require people to die? ........Are in that category. If one is really ready to die for one fantasy, I think it's ok if we say "hey, something's wrong".

I have considered self castration many times. Sometimes it seems like that is the only way it will ever happen. But a lot of things can and do go wrong. All the stories I have read that were supposedly actual accounts, it seems the person always ends up in the hospital. This is not uncommon among transsexuals.

I believe the line is "life threatening". When one pierces or tattoo's or splits their tongue or penis, there is a risk of infection. But these are easily treatable and they really are not life threatening. But the reproductive organs are so important to evolution that removing them is life threatening. One can bleed to death.

So whenever anyone puts their own life or anyone elses in jeopardy, it's not ok. All health care professionals are required to report such things and it's irresponsible not to, in my personal opinion. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be an eunuch and there is nothing wrong with fantasizing different scenarios. But I don't agree that self harm does or should play a role in these discussions.

Now, before the arrows fly, this is just my opinion. If you want to change it, then show me why I am wrong.

Elizabeth

You are so absolutely, incredibly wrong about Paolo. I contribute and support this site because I have met Paolo and some of the other moderators. I know you will not allow yourself to believe this but you would be lucky to count Paolo among your friends or aquaintances. Paolo does not need me to defend him, he can do that quite well on his own. I just wanted you to know you are wrong.

Oh and Paolo is just as powerful out of costume.

Another solution, rather than feeling "guilty" about responding to such banning and hostility-- what do you expect from somebody who chooses Darth Vadar as an Avatar, a weak ordinary, truly ugly person inside disguised as somebody powerful and wielding what, a sword of banning is to refuse to post stories or contribute anything monetarily until he finally goes.

The site started to get better when he promised to leave, for being openly hostile to everyone, I believe, but groan he came back, and great alternative truly pro castration sites are already available in direction opposition to him, and nobody needs this site or him.

That's already happening, but I have no problem publicly asking him to leave, Paulo, get the hell out. People, don't contribute money or stories until he leaves.

i heard it doesn't hurt when you get cut down by a light saber because it is so hot it instantly cauterizes the wound.... be sure to let us know texmec.

Texmex - You seem truly unhappy here, for your own well being and the freedoms they provide don't you think permanently moving to those other sites would solve your immediate issues? Thinking that you can solve other members problems on the site with the undistilled brilliance of your ideas seems condescending at the very least.The simple minded nature of your proposals is reminiscent

of the thinking of the french revolution , where the solution made simple was to cut off the head of whoever is in charge at the moment setting off a bloodbath and murderous frenzy , solving nothing, ending only when most participants where headless themselves and Napolean's emergence ended the reign of terror.

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randy (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:36 am what do you expect from somebody who chooses Darth Vadar as an Avatar, a weak ordinary, truly ugly person inside disguised as somebody powerful and wielding what, a sword of banning is to refuse to post stories or contribute anything monetarily until he finally goes.

... great alternative truly pro castration sites are already available in direction opposition to him, and nobody needs this site or him.

That's already happening, but I have no problem publicly asking him to leave, Paulo, get the hell out. People, don't contribute money or stories until he leaves.

You are wrong about Paolo. Besides, it is inappropriate to attack his character.

He is not weak. He has to be strong to work for the good of the site while struggling to attempt the impossibile. That is, keeping this site a safe, useful place for people who come with very different expectations. At times, he needs to act forcefully and I am glad he does.

Paolo and the other moderators volunteer hours of their time, every day, to keep this place going. The Archive needs Paolo, and others like him. We should be thanking the moderators for their continuing hard work. I hope that Paolo stays.

I was happy to contribute money to help the Archive continue to grow and thrive.

tex

I shit canned your post, and then realized I would have to shit-can a half dozen more. Probably would have been better to leave your personal attack in place to show what an ass you were for making it. In any event, it got you my big boot in your ass. Bye bye.

Our moderators are about as good as it gets , difficult job for certain. 50.000 a year in these times is low dough for sure.lol