M'lina

Sorry I upset you.

Calm down. Things will be all right.

My post on 9/28 started it.

Please slap me instead of Kangan. I agree with Blaise's post #38. Kangan is a tormented soul.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. I can fix that.

I like you and your ideas. I've read all of your posts and look forward to many more.

Easy, Girl.

Let me think and I'll get back to you soon.

I hope we can become friends. I get along very well with folk like you and am confident things will work out for our mutual satisfaction.

I understand. No need for a heavy sigh.

Thank you.

Messalina (imported) wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:15 pm One could contribute financially to organizations that, work with victims of sexual trauma.

A person might volunteer his time in support of advocacy groups that, petition state and or federal legislators in changing laws.

One could submit himself for study, to groups researching sex crimes and those that commit them.

A person might keep an "eye out" for sex predators in his neighbourhood and report same to authorities.

There are many positive things that, someone could do in the "spirit of atonement". AND who knows, in the great "cosmic scheme of things", this may make a positive difference in someone's life.

What counts is the "effort" towards atonement. However, (as with anything else) this only becomes possible when, one stops focusing on self.

That is a quite a thought provoking list and some do not take that much effort

There are lots of victims who are hearting and just need some one to listen

And be there for support

datyiasp (imported) wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:24 pm M'lina

Sorry I upset you.

Calm down. Things will be all right.

My post on 9/28 started it.

Please slap me instead of Kangan. I agree with Blaise's post #38. Kangan is a tormented soul.

What we have here is a failure to communicate. I can fix that.

I like you and your ideas. I've read all of your posts and look forward to many more.

Easy, Girl.

Let me think and I'll get back to you soon.

I hope we can become friends. I get along very well with folk like you and am confident things will work out for our mutual satisfaction.

I understand. No need for a heavy sigh.

Thank you.

Hi there,

How are you? It was the tone evident in YOUR posting that, I found disturbing. You seemed to be equating, my advocacy and support of voluntary castration (more or less) with punishment and barbarism. I believe in double orchiectomies as treatment not punishment. Personally, I think the surgery has to be voluntary, to be an effective treatment. The optimum goal is; to help heal the "damaged" individual whilst, protecting society. As you know doubt are aware, (but, for the benefit of others) the majority of sexual predators were themselves abused.

I'm not a mental health professional and I've never met Kagan. So, I'm not qualified to evaluate the state of his mental health. However, I've had some communication with him. AND it's clear to me that, he has some "issues" with his past. The point I tried to make to him is that, there's nothing he can do to change it. Also, he seems to have some misguided notion that, punishing himself will somehow, equate to penitence for his sins. As if, this will in some way "make up" for what, he has done. Obviously, nothing can. I certainly don't feel any better off, because he feels bad.

However, there are things he can do in the present that, might

Messalina (imported) wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:15 pm make a positive difference in someone's life.

I'm refering to victims of sexual assault and potential victims. In any event, if he's indeed the "Tormented soul" you say he is, the less time he spends focused on self the better. Besides, (as hokey as it sounds) the more "good" we do for others, the more good we do for ourselves. I think, if Herr Kagan does things to make others feel better, the better he'll feel towards himself.

Please don't patronize me. "Calm down", "Things will be all right", and "Easy girl" are all fine examples.. particularly, the last one. I'm not a horse, even if I do look like one! Indeed, it was the tone of your message that, had a caustic tone.. seems to me. Then again, I'm sensitive re: these matters. Your're communicating with a survivor of sexual assault, never forget that. I've been "upfront" about that, as they say.. this side the "pond". Also, I get a lot of grief from my colleagues re: my advocacy activities. I'm in a predominantly male field. So, I guess I'm "touchy" at that!

Warm regards,

Messalina

kennath7 (imported) wrote: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:37 pm That is a quite a thought provoking list and some do not take that much effort

There are lots of victims who are hearting and just need some one to listen

And be there for support

Hello there,

How are you? You're indeed correct re: victims needing someone to tell their story to without judgement. However, I was making refence to what someone guilty of inflicting the damage might do. Thank you, for you positive comments.

Warm regards,

Messalina

M'lina;

Touche!

I apologize for upsetting you.

All of us have "issues". We all react differently to them. One person may face an issue by "taking the bull by the horns" where another person might tackle the same issue by jumping off a bridge. Each of us are uniquely strong in some aspects of our lives and weak in other aspects.

I understand you. You are a strong person.

I understand Kangan. He is reaching out for help, We have every intention of finding him and helping restore his life. Regardless of my feelings toward anyone, I cannot leave a person in outer darkness. I've been there and I won't let friend or enemy slip past me and go over that edge.

This is your thread called "Introduction II" and I respect that. "Introduction I" has been ruined by some people already.

When you cool down and if you feel like it, you're welcome to contact me directly and we can rectify any perceived differences of opinion without entertaining the masses.

Thank you.

Hello Messalina,

I have the same opinion like you what a man has to give a gift to a woman.

I did not rape any woman but so strong in 6-drive so from time to time I would

like to catch a woman for havin 6. I do believe the reason the balls are only.

Take them away and the world will be better in future.

But most men like me are strong in desire to loose this "ugly" thing by a woman or a group of women. Do you think you can keep a fresh german eunuch in your "harem"? I wanna go in.

Robi