Late onset (yet always there)

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Hi everyone,

Sorry it's been so long since the last update. Not only was I WAY TOO busy at times, also didn't want to give you the same short-term ups and downs as in previous posts. Thanksgiving Day provides a well-needed break and an opportunity to reflect.

Why so busy? Not only was I taking two classes at night, but had to put in some overtime at work. (Ended up having to drop a class to retain sanity.)

Speaking of work, I'm essentially "full-time" now. Our main clients have been informed about my transition and they have been accepting. Restroom use was the main sticking point, and each has indicated specific restrooms I can use while on site.

The need for going full-time kind of snuck up on me. Found myself getting challenged in the men's room more often. Then it occurred to me: the men on my floor at work had simply gotten used to me, but new men were perceiving me as female. So until I could go full-time, I altered my gender presentation a little more toward the feminine side and started using the ladies' room (without challenge), though I was still "male" in my boss's eye.

One incident around this time in the men's room was particularly amusing. A visitor thought he was in the wrong restroom, so I had to reassure him he was in the right place. After telling him he was in the right place, I thought it odd that he stood a distance away and turned his back as labored at tucking in his shirt. Only later did I realize my faux pas: though I told him he was in the right place, I neglected to tell him I was male! (He must have thought, "What a brazen female -- using the men's room without apology!")

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Would you believe it? I STILL question transition, wondering, "Could I get by as a male?" But I'm probably like the depressive patient who feels so good on medication, they think they can stop taking it.

What about plans for GRS? Currently I'm feeling like further surgery is unnecessary. Although I had connected with a surgeon back in March and had therapist letters in the works, the divorce somehow "cauterized" me emotionally. (It also made me substantially poorer.) At the same time, I have found ways to "feminize" Mr. Penis so I'm not as bothered by him. Let's just say I'm past the danger of "self-mutilation" and am merely in the self-abuse category. Another thing is I've reduced my expectations out of life. So if I won't ever be suitable for a locker room or weekend retreats with either sex, that's okay.

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Found an incredibly-insightful quote by Hilary Swank. As you recall, she starred in the true-but-tragic movie about a murdered FtM entitled, "Boys Don't Cry." To get into character, she spent four weeks living as a male prior to shooting. How'd it go? A pretty authentic taste of trans life, I'd say, for this is what she said afterward:

If you don't fit into a black-or-white definition of boy or girl, you slip between the cracks and it's a lonely place. People don't want to have anything to do with you, and it put me in a state of real hopelessness. I cried a lot for days. -- Hilary Swank

Wow. She really experienced what it's like.

Anyway, think I have a better idea of why depression faced me each time I considered staying male: loneliness. There really is a huge difference psychologically/emotionally between the sexes, and being stuck in the wrong group is devastating. Didn't see this so clearly until after reading the delightful book, "You Just Don't Understand: Women and Men in Conversation," by Deborah Tannen, Ph.D. Although the author is a professor steeped in academia, this book is written for the layperson and makes a wonderful read. Her book is a groundbreaking work akin to John Gray's "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus," but Tannen's work precedes Gray's by two years (1990 vs. 1992). Tannen's book is about more than just conversation -- she points out that boys and girls grow up in essentially different worlds. The male world emphasizes status and independence. The female world values interconnectedness and similarity. Tannen's conclusion from all this as a sociolinguist is that men and women conversing together is a cross-cultural experience.

The point of all this? If you are a female in male skin, you find yourself lumped into the wrong social class. The things you value (relationship and cooperation) are not the things valued by your peers. Instead, they value establishing status at the expense of relationship. (I'm probably not expressing it well. But read Tannen's book and you'll be convinced! :))

So when I think about choices about transition and gender presentation, I think about social class or "the available pool for friends." Your outward gender automatically puts you into one of two social groups. Envisioning future life as a male depressed me because I was cut off from the social group I identify with (i.e., females).

There was a session at a TS support group where loneliness was the prime topic. One attendee told how she spent a wonderful, satisfying time at the beach. It consisted simply of conversing with a natal female for an afternoon -- "girl talk" in other words. Such a small thing, you think, but it meant so much to her.

Considering my biggest gripe with transition is that it takes longer to get ready in the morning, I think transition is right for me. Sure, relationships were blown up as well, but it wasn't transition which clobbered the relationships. It was insisting that I was female inside.

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Speaking of relationships: How are things with my parents? I'm a "back-door" child at this point. Although I can show up dressed at my parents' house, we don't go to restaurants together anymore. As for deaths and funerals, I'm not told about a death until after the funeral, lest I show up.

Things could definitely be worse. Although GID is a nasty disorder to have, the "medicine" that transition provides is working as I rebuild my life. I rarely if ever think about suicide these days. The emotional meltdowns I suffered from are history for the most part.

bryan (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:33 pm Thanks for your interest,



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Terri,

I am sorry to hear that you got such a poor deal from your spouse. You deserved better than that. However, it is good to hear that you are progressing as well as you are.

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Terri,

Thank you so much for the update. I have wondered over the past months how you have been doing. I totally enjoy reading your entries about the things of life in regards to your transition. You and Dayna are both an blessing to me. Giving me the added encouragement to continue down the pathway first to becoming a eunuch, then full transition and GRS.

Eunuch2be

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Terri, it is wonderful to hear from you again! --FLO--
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Terri it is great to hear from you. I was pleased to read that the darkest of days seem to be over. Sounds like you are doing well.
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Hi Terri,

I am very glad to hear that your transition is going so well.

It sounds like other things are going well for you, too, despite having less money and going through a difficult divorce.

I hope that if you are feeling depressed now or in the future, you will seek medical help and talk with a therapist. I am concerned when you write 'you don't think about suicide as often.' You do still think about it from time to time.

I have suffered from major depression most of my life, so I know how difficult it can make living. Please take care of yourself.

I wish you the best as you continue on your journey.

Hugs,

Danya
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bryan (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:05 pm Hi everyone,

Sorry it's been so long since the last update. Not only was I WAY TOO busy at times, also didn't want to give you the same short-term ups and downs as in previous posts................
Terri

Terri,

Please give us another update on your progress.
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Hi everyone,

Happy to oblige, Mac.

I've been thinking more about identity. Seems like there is a blind spot in our culture regarding gender and I want to "think outside the box" -- think outside the concepts available to our culture.

First, I have to acknowledge that my transsexualism was brought about hormonally as a result of castration (see my previous post). So these thoughts do not apply to those who were transsexual from birth.

Next, consider the case of cattle. (Fellow transsexuals, please don't take offense from the following ruminations.) Imagine a young bull who has been castrated. If his gender identity has been severely impacted, he may think, "I'm a cow trapped in the body of a bull." However, he's wrong on two counts: he's neither a cow nor a bull -- he's a steer. And I'm a eunuch, something our culture has no understanding of (but something EA sheds much light on, thankfully).

Bear with me a little further. Suppose the steer/eunuch now feels more fluid in gender and wants to adopt some feminine qualities. For the sake of argument, let's assume the eunuch's gender identity is split down the middle. So there'd be nothing wrong if the eunuch felt more comfortable eliminating beard shadow, wearing women's underwear, or possessing long hair...

But as soon as the eunuch does such things, bystanders will observe, "Oh, you want to be a female." As soon as the gender boundary is trespassed in any aspect, bipolar thinking assumes you must be headed all the way into the other camp. And our current philosophy for transsexualism is in agreement. Our culture simply doesn't offer any other paradigm to third-gender folks.

An interesting paper (http://web.archive.org/web/200606190026 ... /anth.html) found at AndrogyneOnline (http://androgyne.0catch.com/links.htm#primary)* looks at third-gender people in four different cultures. As the article states, third-gender people have been deified, ostracized, and medicalized. The current Western approach toward third-gender people is to medically pigeonhole us back into the mainstream two-gender culture.

(*Sorry if the presence of two links above is confusing. The paper is one link, and AndrogyneOnline is interesting enough to warrant its own link.)

That doesn't mean we aren't really third-gender people at heart. It's just this culture's way of dealing with us.

Two summers ago, I experimented with being androgynous vs. female. Things didn't go well for androgyny. When gender was ambiguous, I felt like a second-class citizen or a non-entity. Strangers didn't always know how to act toward me and I, in turn, didn't know how to react. I was extremely shy and retreating.

Going out as female, I had more confidence as a person and relations with strangers went fine.

So I have intentionally shifted my presentation from ambiguous to feminine in order to find a place in our culture. As things stand with my feminine-looking face, if I were to go androgynous, most people would see me as a woman who doesn't take care of herself. The rest would see me as a weird male. Neither preception is desirable.

But if our culture offered the option of "third gender," there would be a place for people like me.

I've accepted the fact I will never truly be a woman. Although
bryan (imported) wrote: Wed May 24, 2006 12:52 pm I have a feminine personality,
my history and reproductive experience is that of a male. Since I don't like to lie, I don't expect to have many close friends.....(Ohhh, that's depressing. Bummer...)

(Hmmm.... gears are churning in Terri's head and a smile slowly forms...)

You know what?! Sometimes you just have to throw the past away. After all, I don't want to tell future close friends about my ugly divorce or even the fact I was married to a female.

Reminds me of a time at a restaurant two years ago when my parents asked the waitress for suggestions of jewelry I should get my spouse for Christmas. I was really offended, though I didn't immediately understand why. Later realized I was ashamed to be identified as a husband, and insulted by the implication I didn't have taste when it came to jewelry. My feminine insides bristled at both.

* * *

Regarding the hormonal cause of my transsexualism: It's interesting to think that my gender identity would probably shift back to the male side if I took testosterone. I've thought (ever so briefly) about the possiblity of trying testosterone and rejected it on two counts:

1. Whatever caused the "Oct-Nov 2004 gender shift" meant I was done with testosterone. It had become a poison with its own set of problems.

2. People warn in fretful tones about how GRS is "irreversible." Hah! That's nothing. What I fear even more are irreversible effects due to testosterone, such as the loss of a few more scalp hairs or increased body hair. Shows where my sentiment lies, doesn't it?

* * *

Changing the subject, relations with my parents and siblings are better than I realized. The rejection (and dejection) we face as transsexuals caused me to wrongly project coolness on their behalf. Had a good time with family members Christmas Eve -- in female presentation -- and felt acceptance and warmth.

To be accurate, however, I should point out that "female presentation" in my case is "female enough to use the ladies' room comfortably" but not much more. Family still sees me as male but outsiders see me as female.

And that is sufficient since I'm looking upon
bryan (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:15 pm myself nowadays as a feminine e
unuch rather than a "woman trapped in a man's body." My identity isn't at stake anymore. For instance, I don't correct people at work if they refer to me as "he" because, in truth, I'm both a he and a she. I like "she" more, but "he" works, too.

Finally, if it's not already clear from
bryan (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:33 pm everything above: I'm doing very w
ell emotionally. I'm at peace, and living isn't a big struggle anymore.

Thanks for your interest,

Terri
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Hi Terri,

It was terrific to finally have a chance to meet you when we both had Christmas dinner with Erica Ann and her family. You seemed very much at peace with yourself and happy to be exactly where you are in your journey. I have no problem with the concept of third gender. At the University of Minnesota, where I first started gender therapy, this isn't an issue either. No one can tell us who we really are. That's entirely up to us and it sounds like you've found that happy place not many reach, transgender or not. You have discovered who you are and that brings you peace and happiness. I am very happy for you.

Hugs,

Danya
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Hi everyone,

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bryan (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:20 pm To be accurate, however, I should point out that "female presentation" in my case is "female enough to use the ladies' room comfortably" but not much more. ...............

Terri

Would be nice if I was able to pass to that extent. The public men's rooms frequently have only one stall while the women's rooms have several stalls. That can be a real problem when you do not use the urinal and only sit to pee. Would also be more convenient if I was able to go in with my wife.
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