erikboy (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:50 am Question to Quietone before you are gone from here. As they removed your testicles, did they offer you any Testosterone replacemet therapy? If yes, then how did you refuse? And what were their reactions?

They did not, as I had previously told the urologist prior to surgery I was transgender (I'm in a very androgynous state at the moment, but it's still pretty obvious. I went in presenting as male, but my license says female, so that was also another thing that would have clued them in. My hospital bracelet actually said female, haha. A female going in for a bilateral orchiectomy due to testicular cancer. I'm sure that turned some nurses heads.)

Hash (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:13 am . I'm glad they did not, as I would have declined it.

thequietone, thanks for sharing, great story, so glad everything turned out well for you. I see that you identify as female. If that's the case, I think you might have missed a golden opportunity. Do you want to have any additional physical changes? Scrotum removed? Penis removed? Labia made? If you identify as a female, do you want to go further and have female genitalia? If you do, talk to this doctor or tell him that things have changed and that you'd like to consider transgender surgery. Maybe he'll hook you up, you never

know. Are you using any HRT, testosterone replacement?

This doctor is just a urologist (no plastic surgery experience), and would not have been able to anything regarding transgender surgery. Also, anything like that is considered elective, and I don't have insurance at the moment anyway. I paid the doctor for his time out of pocket (it wasn't expensive) and the hospital waived my fees because I'm below the poverty line when it comes to income. And also, I'm totally fine with having a penis. I just wanted to get rid of my balls because of the Testosterone. I'm one of those quirky transwomen who hate their physical body and assigned gender, but are fine with their genitals (not to say I wouldn't snap my fingers and have a real vagina if I could - I absolutely would. But I don't like the technology of current day vaginoplasty, so I just try not to worry about it.). Testosterone was just absolutely paramount to get rid of asap. I ran out of my anti-androgen, and I've been on them for 5 years anyway. Anti-androgens are not good

hopper44 (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:27 pm for your body at all. So now I can just take my estrogen and not have to worry about any testosterone!

Yes, thanks for sharing thequietone. Great to hear that everything turned out the way you wanted it to

Thankyou! I appreciate it. If you'd have asked me back in April when I did this, if I thought I'd have my testicles gone by July, I'd have said you're crazy. I'm very thankful everything turned out as it did.

I think this is the best possible outcome and really what people have been looking for -- finding a way where even regular medical community thinks that a proper surgical orchiectomy is the best course. Of course it would still be even better if CaCl just fully dissolved the testicles painlessly, but oh well. Good to hear that it is working out so well. As you say, the overall process was pretty quick -- a couple months from your injection and doctors are offering an insurance-covered castration!

Perhaps I can offer a useful, and actually truthful, perspective on actually being truthful...

I have mentioned, perhaps enough times to drive people away, that I have B.S. and Ph.D. degrees in bioengineering and am a licensed Wisconsin Registered Professional Engineer. While I do not use my "real" name on the Archive message boards, I have posted the URL for my doctoral dissertation here, and going to that URL does show my "real" name.

That said, my main research focus, as a bioengineer, is in the field of biosemiotics, which field includes biological pattern recognition, and it was my being rather superbly trained in the ways of biology and biological pattern recognition that got me my cancer-risk-minimizing surgeries, including my orchiectomy, in 1986. Semiotics is about the study of symbols, what symbols symbolize, and the relationship(s) among symbols and what is symbolized.

A person who lives in a society (like that of the present day United States of America) in which social consensus imposes a form of social contract which has, as its ultimate root principle, deception, to tell of concerns truthfully, will have to use the social contract language of deception, if only because no other viable language is available.

In the realm of communication theory and information theory, the social contract, as a message channel, severely distorts all the messages the social contract message channel carries, most often by inverting essential components of the message. Suppose that a particular social contract message channel carrying a binary data stream inverts the bits, so that all 0s that enter the message channel emerge as 1s, and all 1s that enter the message channel emerge as 0s.

If one pre-distorts the message being sent by passing it through a binary inverter before submitting the message to the inverting message channel for transmission, then the message that emerges from the inverting message channel will be the intended message with the intended 0s emerging as 0s and the intended 1s emerging as 1s.

To get my orchiectomy in 1986, I first learned how the physicians to whom I had practical access distorted the message(s) I was sending them, and, once I had a decently accurate grasp of how they distorted my messages, I "flipped the bits" of my messages so that the physicians actually got my message and not their distorted version of it.

Yeah, it kinda shook me up to pre-distort what I was saying to those physicians, so that the message they received, through their distortion of my intended message was adequately accurate regarding my intended message. Understanding how my message would be distorted by the physicians, I distorted my message so that the distortion of the physicians would reverse my distortion, and the physicians received message, having been pre-distorted by me, and distorted by the physicians, would be received by the physicians in undistorted form.

To put it another way, I generated an inverse function of the distortion I found in the physicians, so that the physician's distortion function and my inverse of the physician's distortion function accurately communicated to the physicians my desire to avoid dying of surgically preventable cancer as my dad had done and my brother was doing.

In a world of liars, is there any way to be truthful other than through the telling of lies which the world of liars will understand truthfully?

So, thequietone, if you haven't already, perhaps you soon will come to understand how beautifully and wonderfully truthful you actually were in dealing with a real need of yours in a world which may be as though intent on denying your genuine need and your actual human worth.

Also, I am inclined to guess that you had no way of knowing, without error, whether or not both of your testicles had developed a very few cancer cells that were so few in number as to be clinically undetectable before you did the first injection. There is no way to establish as fact that what you did has other than kept you from dying from testicular cancer a year or so from now, just as there is no way to know that you would have developed such cancer without your bilateral orchiectomy.

The difficulty I have with solving problems that have no solution is, in my view, that such problems cannot ever actually exist.

Meanwhile, I am glad for your surgical success, no matter what you had to do to, in actual truth, obtain it.

I'm now at 41

hopper44 (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:31 am days since injecting 2.5 ml 30% Calcium Chloride solution.

Both testicles are now becoming smaller and firmer and a bit misshapen. I went ahead and injected another .5 ml into each this morning. While the first time I injected I didn't start feeling pain for around 36 hours, this time the pain was more immediate (feels like a mild kick to the groin). Hoping it will make the process go a bit quicker.

Too bad there is not a micro leydig-suction method developed, kind of like liposuction. Instead of sucking out fat, suck out leydig cells and shrink those little orbs flat.

Nullorchis -- I'm with you. I'm almost surprised that a doctor hasn't come up with that. The problem might be that unless you get ever bit, they will still produce T.

Hopper44 -- Congrats. I'm with you. Mine have really shrunk, too, and I did a second 0.5 cc injection. After 3 months, I'm tempted to do another, but my testicles are so small now, I fear that it will leak outside the testicle into the sac.

If anyone wants to try CaCl injections and wants advice from someone who did it, feel free to message me or hit me up on yahoo messenger -- bigindyboy. I've been chatting with someone else who just tried it, which reminded me to warn everyone again: be prepared for significant pain for a couple of days, so have ibuprofen or some other pain killer ready. CaCl really puts the hurt on the inside of your nut, so be prepared for the results. It works.

Just adding my two cents worth on this thread.

After a few weeks and hours of research into the subject and with the experience that I am having with this course of action. First I have to say, any one that has done alcohol injections prior to considering calcium chloride as a second alternative, go back and read up on all the possible ways that this could go wrong. I had a similar experience as Eunuched and it was no pleasant at all. I, as most do, over do things wanting now results. I have already been on HRT as my testicles don't produce testosterone prior to the injections. So having low T was not something that was new to me. I had done several alcohol injections over the course of a few months. My balls have shrunk due to the injections, but not to satisfy me. So I started the research on CaCl injections. Once I had felt comfortable with the research I contacted some one who has already done the injection with CaCl. I then proceeded to follow his advise. Once I had acquired the CaCl I proceeded with the injection. Absolutely make sure that the CaCl you choose is of medical grade. Also make sure that you have some kind of moderate painkiller as it could, most likely, hurt like hell. Now, if you have injected with alcohol remember that you nuts have shrunk and are harder so if you so choose, I recommend no more than .3 ml. Sadly I over did and used a full 1 mm into the left testicle only. if all went well i would do the right one. An unknown amount leaked back into the scrotum and holly shit, pardon the vulgarity, caused the scrotum to swell. It was very scary for me. I almost went to the ER freaking out. Luckily I calmed down and took some pain killers and went to sleep along with a huge ice pack. For the next few days I have been in "panic mode". At every turn I felt compelled to go to the ER, I suppose I was having what could be described as buyers remorse and go back and undo my actions. As of now my sac swelled and the testicle is swollen and extremely tender to the touch. It appears that the testicle had fused with the scroll wall. Not sure how that is going to play out. Right now I'm just resting and keeping an ice pack on it and taking lots of ibuprofen to manage the swelling and pain as the good pain killers I have can become habit forming, hydrocodone. And that is the last thing I need, an addiction to painkillers. I won't tell any one to not go this route, but I implore you, know as much of the facts as you can. If you have healthy balls, no mor than .5 ml. If you have alcohol injected balls, less than .5ml. Read all the threads on failed attempts and contact them personally as well. Contact those that where successful. Know all the facts and all the risks and dangers. And when in doubt, don't.

blazzer89815 (imported) wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:23 am Just adding my two cents worth on this thread. First I have to say, any one that has done alcohol injections prior to considering calcium chloride as a second alternative, go back and read up on all the possible ways that this could go wrong. I had a similar experience as Eunuched and it was no pleasant at all. I, as most do, over do things wanting now results. I have already been on HRT as my testicles don't produce testosterone prior to the injections. So having low T was not something that was new to me. I had done several alcohol injections over the course of a few months. My balls have shrunk due to the injections, but not to satisfy me. So I started the research on CaCl injections. Once I had felt comfortable with the research I contacted some one who has already done the injection with CaCl. I then proceeded to follow his advise. Once I had acquired the CaCl I proceeded with the injection. Absolutely make sure that the CaCl you choose is of medical grade. Also make sure that you have some kind of moderate painkiller as it could, most likely, hurt like hell. Now, if you have injected with alcohol remember that you nuts have shrunk and are harder so if you so choose, I recommend no more than .3 ml. Sadly I over did and used a full 1 mm into the left testicle only. if all went well i would do the right one. An unknown amount leaked back into the scrotum and holly shit, pardon the vulgarity, caused the scrotum to swell. It was very scary for me. I almost went to the ER freaking out. Luckily I calmed down and took some pain killers and went to sleep along with a huge ice pack. For the next few days I have been in "panic mode". At every turn I felt compelled to go to the ER, I suppose I was having what could be described as buyers remorse and go back and undo my actions. As of now my sac swelled and the testicle is swollen and extremely tender to the touch. It appears that the testicle had fused with the scroll wall. Not sure how that is going to play out. Right now I'm just resting and keeping an ice pack on it and taking lots of ibuprofen to manage the swelling and pain as the good pain killers I have can become habit forming, hydrocodone. And that is the last thing I need, an addiction to painkillers. I won't tell any one to not go this route, but I implore you, know as much of the facts as you can. If you have healthy balls, no mor than .5 ml. If you have alcohol injected balls, less than .5ml. Read all the threads on failed attempts and contact them personally as well. Contact those that where successful. Know all the facts and all the risks and dangers. And when in doubt, don't.

Just a few comments. I am not totally positive if having prior injections of ethyl alcohol causes such extreme

pain when followed up with calcium chloride. I suspect that the alcohol causes the testicle lose volume

and shrink and intertexture is more compact. The extreme pain is more likely from two sources, leakage

in epididymitis and scrotum. For the initial injects even if the testicle could absorb more, it appears

that a total volume of no more than 3ml of 195 proof ethyl alcohol and 20-30% calcium chloride in

a 50 50 mixture is prudent. One has to especially careful to withdraw the needle with no pressure on

the plunger and pinch the scrotal skin against the needle as it is withdrawn quickly.

Even with all precautions there will probably extreme discomfort to extreme pain. As mentioned I also had

the misfortune to have major leakage into the scrotum which then sagged with the skin thickening and

with the testicle attaching to the scrotum. It took two to three weeks of working the testicle to loosen

it and was really painful. Although I injected both testicles only one became attached.

Almost at the point of seeking a visit with my doctor over a period of three to four days did the pain

lessen. It appears that done correctly injection with calcium chloride is probably safe but is not for

the weak. It initial 3ml injections were followed up in about one month with between 0.5ml to 1ml

injections. The follow up injections caused minor discomfort similar to ethyl alcohol. As some point

the testicle become hard and lumpy and will not really accept any more.

I have done a followup ultrasound about 7 months after the start of the calcium chloride. I had

had two previous ultrasounds which had already showed major issues. After the first ultrasound

my previous urologist had suggested a radial orchiectomy on just one testicle and maybe a followup

and the second. I did not want to go through two surgeries and a radial orchietomy. After the fact

I found that there is not urologist or local plastic surgeon that will do a simple orchiectomy. As I

had changed urologist that option was closed. I have had to switch to a third urologist due to

my current one has had a leave of absent. The third ultrasound came back with major issues

but I will have to wait until the middle of August to get his opinion as he is presenting the findings

to local hospital committee. Not sure if it because of the results or because the radiologist label

the results a bizarre. Time will tale.

From my experience, over time, the alcohol injections caused the interior of each testicle to shrink, get hard, and numb. As they shrank, it became more difficult, then impossible, to inject any more alcohol into them. Once I tried. But upon removing the needle the alcohol, under pressure, leaked back out into the scrotum. Like hot lava. So I would not be surprised that attempting to inject calcium chloride into balls that were already turned into scar tissue might leak back out into the scrotum. Best to not push the limits too far.

Well, that would be my guess. And my advise would be

blazzer89815 (imported) wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:23 am , if you have injected with alcohol,

especially with muiltiple injections of alcohol, don't inject calcium chloride. As the risk if leakage is far to great. My scrotum and testicle are still very tender and red. There is bruising but I'm not sure if its going to get worse. With alcohol there was brusing but as this is different substance I don't know what to expect. I have been on antibiotics for a different issue an I hope that it will help with preventing infection, and I suppose that is my worst fear. Something I should have been concerned with, though I have not read anything in this thread where that has happened. Did anyone read where infection occurred from doing this?

I have another question for readers, if I should go to the Dr., would it be acceptable to fib on how this happened? Fabricate that this happened at a bdsm party? Would they just accept that and not probe further? I would just like to avoide the psych microscope, although maybe I need it. Look at what I'm willing to do, am I that fucked up, pardon the vulgarity. Any way, I will consider any advise given here, though NOT doing this probably would have been the best advise. Oh, it like four in the morning so this might just be a paranoid rant, but I figure letting others know my current state of mind might help in there decision on doing or not doing this. Please don't judge me, but do judge your actions for yourself. Till my next posting.