Clearly it can be said that nobody should inject anything. But if a person makes a personal decision to do so, at the very least great consideration should be given to replicate what has succeeded in the past for others, all the while keeping in mind that past performance for others is no guarantee of safety or success.

Success without complications is possible; I am living proof of that (via the alcohol injection method). But don't ignore that complications are very possible, indeed probable if a person goes off on a tangent or starts to get careless.

Just as homosexuality was a word that was not spoken in public, and homosexuality was totally unacceptable in societies that now have no problem with it,

perhaps some day a man who wants to be relieved of his testicles will not be looked upon with suspicion, but may possibly even be acknowledged for knowing what needs to be done and for taking action to have it done.

Until then, those who know they need to eliminate testosterone are forced to seek out of the norm solutions. In doing so, one must proceed with extreme care and caution.

New solutions may be discovered by those who wander into unknown methods; but the price for such exploration can be harmful, or deadly.

Proceed at your own risk. Let no one encourage you or tell you what to do. Investigate and seek your own solution and take full responsibility.

If in doubt, do nothing except maybe monitor the EA and the news to see if a more favorable, less risky solution may come to light.

It has been a week since my last update, so here is what's new. At this point I would say that I'm back to my old self in every way except my libido. The swelling is gone as is the pain. I will say that after the initial pain on days 2-4 I was hoping I was over it, but for nearly two weeks I would wake up fine in the morning and then as the day went on the pain and swelling would increase. It never got as bad as days 2-4, but by the end of the day I was definitely not feeling great. Each day seemed a little bit better though, and at this point I have been totally pain free without any swelling for about 48 hours.

My libido seems to be at about 1/3 of what it was before the injection. At this point I will wait and see what happens. I'll try to update every week or two or if anything changes.

It has been 32 days since injecting 2.5 ml 30% Calcium Chloride solution into each testicle. Failed to mention in my last update that I was starting to have night sweats. I would say I had them from day 15 to day 20 on a nightly basis.

At this point it seems as though everything is returning to the way it was pre-injection. No pain, testicles about the same size and they feel normal. Libido is also returning. Not sure if I did something wrong in the process, but I'm beginning to think that my initial attempt may have had no lasting impact.

hopper44 (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:31 am It has been 32 days since injecting 2.5 ml 30% Calcium Chloride solution into each testicle. Failed to mention in my last update that I was starting to have night sweats. I would say I had them from day 15 to day 20 on a nightly basis.

At this point it seems as though everything is returning to the way it was pre-injection. No pain, testicles about the same size and they feel normal. Libido is also returning. Not sure if I did something wrong in the process, but I'm beginning to think that my initial attempt may have had no lasting impact.

Did you get a testosterone level?

Night sweats mean something happened.

Dave (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:37 am Did you get a testosterone level?

Night sweats mean something happened.

I was thinking the same thing a few weeks ago, but as I haven't had the night sweats in about 10 days, and my libido seems to be returning, I'm wondering if I just knocked out the T production for a week or two. I have not h

lust-ocd (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:27 am ad my testosterone level checked,

but I might in another month or so if the night sweats return or my libido goes back down.

I've been waiting until I was all healed up to finally make a post. This one will be a long one, so bear with me.

To quote my last post, so everyone knows where I left off,

thequietone (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:57 pm Another update: I've actually come to realize I've been battling an intermittent or remittent fever, and have been for about 5 days now. I actually didn't realize I had a fever, but I've been getting chills a lot and have started to frequently wake up sweating (but my house gets hot a lot - so at first this didn't seem to out of the ordinary). Took my temperature when it finally dawned on me that it might be a fever, and I was at 101.8° F. This might be totally unrelated, but I have not had a fever like this in 10+ years, and I have no other symptoms. The fever recedes everyday (I'm taking tylenol) but comes back eventually, then recedes again. My (uneducated) thought is it could be due to my immune system and autoantibodies attacking the dead tissue in the testicles, but who knows. If it doesn't clear up in the next 3-4 days, I'll go see a doctor about it.

Did anyone else have a fever at some point after their injection? Mine could be completely unrelated, but I'm not otherwise sick, and I haven't had a fever like this in over a decade, so it's just extremely unusual for me. I just wanted to note it down anyway, incase it's related and someone else has had/will have a similar experience. Any advice is appreciated .

That was June 8th, so a month and a week ago. I was running a fever of between 99-102 for around a week. I was waking up soaked in sweat at night, and going between extremely hot and freezing.

This made me very uncomfortable. At day 8 of this, I decided to give in and go to the ER clinic (it's like a minute clinic, as in it's small and self-contained, but it has a full fledged ER) and told them my symptoms - a fever for over a week and testicular pain. At the time I went in, they took my temperature and it was only 99, so they basically completely ignored the fever (and it never came back after that day, go figure). But I kept pushing that my testicles were hurting, so the doctor came in and very briefly (like, 15 seconds, max) touched the base of my testicles and just told me "Well, there's no torsion, so I don't see any problems". I of course knew that there was "something wrong" (I injected them each twice with a caustic substance, so duh) so I continued to press the issue. I told the ER doc that they felt abnormal, and one felt kind of hard. He sort of just brushed it off, acting dismissive towards my claims, but I finally convinced him, and he had them do an ultrasound on my testicles. This took about 30 minutes.

About 30 minutes after the ultrasound, the results came back from radiology and the ER doc was much less dismissive. He told me there were masses on both my testicles, and it could be cancer. The radiology department had written on the paper "suspicious for malignancy". I was given a referral to a urologist and sent on my way.

Now, I'll tell you now - I did not tell a soul what I did. Not my family (I know, it was a horrible thing, I hate myself for it, but what choice did I have? I'm not going to tell them I injected my testicles with some sort of chemical), not my friends, not any medical personnel. So I had to break it to my family that I "had some sort of mass on my testicles" and that I'll have to go get it looked at, but not to worry it's probably not a big deal.

So I go see the urologist, and my mother is with me. At this point, he has seen the ultrasounds, and he examined my testicles by hand. After the examination, I sit back down waiting to hear his findings, expecting and hoping for something like, "Well, we aren't sure what it is, but we should probably remove them just incase!". So, what does he tell me?

I have cancer. I have testicular cancer, and he's 95% sure of it, as the ultrasounds look pretty conclusive. Apparently in testicular cancer cases, if the ultrasound looks malignant, and the testicles feel like they have masses, 95% of the time it's cancer. So at this point I'm just like.... well fuck. Now my mother is having a break down thinking I have cancer, I'm sitting here knowing I don't, but I can't tell anybody for fear of getting Baker Acted (72 hour psychiatric watch) for self-harm, and not wanting anyone to know what I did.

So I let it ride. My mother calmed down and was fine, after the doctor told her that I'm going to be perfectly fine, this cancer is treatable, the prognosis is good. Yes, now I'm a cancer patient. At this point my whole family knows, family friends know, everyone. I now have testicular cancer. The doctor sets up an MRI to make sure it hasn't spread to my lymph nodes (it hadn't... obviously). And then a surgery date was set.

Less than 14 days after my ER visit, I had surgery. Doctor took out both my testicles inguinally (at the pelvis). In non-cancer related orchiectomy, they remove the testicles from the scrotum. However, when cancer is suspected, they have to cut at the inguinal canal (around your pubic mound) so they can remove the testicle and the entire spermatic cord. This is because with testicular cancer, it's not uncommon for the cancer to spread upwards through the spermatic cord.

Surgery goes great, my mother gets a call the next day. No cancer was found (SHOCKER, WHO WOULD HAVE KNOWN). Everyone is relieved. I'm just relieved to not have testicles anymore. It still doesn't feel real.

A week later, I go see the urologist again for the in-depth analysis of what happened and what was wrong. He looked a little guilty, as if he felt bad he had to remove my testicles (I told him it was fine and I was happy!). The pathology report stated that there were several spots of "focal necrosis", and they could not figure out why. He asked me if I had any recent sexually transmitted diseases or infections, any sort of trauma, and I told him not that I was aware of, just the onset of sudden pain at one point and swelling (the truth, technically). He said it could have been some sort of serious acute infection, but that other than that he was clueless. I told him that's fine, I'm happy, everything is good, he did the right thing and no harm was done. And that's it.

So here I am, 3 weeks post-surgery, testicle-less. My point of this post is to tell you that, at least in my experience, if you do this injection and go see a doctor (two months had passed for me, so maybe that helped), they at least from what they told me, couldn't tell it was self-inflicted or what was wrong. And prior to that, they were truthfully under the impression I had testicular cancer, and there was no time to waste in removing my testicles. Like I said, from the first ER visit to the surgery was less than 14 days. That's counting waiting on appointments.

I'm just happy to be done with everything. I suppose this will probably be my last post here. Sorry for writing a novel, just wanted to give you guys the whole story of what happened, and not leave you all hanging. I wish you all luck in your endeavors! And let it be known, there have been multiple success stories involving this now, I know of BrookTS and myself. Both removed from medical professionals, but we couldn't have gotten it done without this. So thankyou, SplitDik, BrookTS, Something, and everyone for all your help and support. Couldn't have done it without you. Now to get on with my life, testosterone free .

Goodluck all. Be safe.

(P.S.: I know there is a special level of hell for me, leading everyone on that I had cancer. But seriously, what choice did I have? I couldn't tell them the truth :c. So please don't hate me too much. I feel horrible about it already.)

Also, to quote BrookTS's post from months and months ago;

Hi Everyone,

BrookeTS (imported) wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:18 pm As I stated in my last post, I was scheduled to see a urologist on Tuesday (yesterday) but there was a cancellation and I was moved into an earlier slot on Friday. I was scheduled to see a lady urologist but my Friday appointment turned out to be with a very nice male doctor. I presented him with my problem (hard, atrophied testicles) and following his initial exam he sent me immediately for a scrotal ultrasound. The radiologist said he had never seen a bilateral seminoma and had my doctor on the line almost immediately discussing the blood panel markers and my options. I told them that I had injured both in college during a martial arts match (I really did) and they said it could possibly be related.

The panel results came back on Tuesday morning but were negative for elevated markers. My urologist said that was the good news, however, seminomas do not typically show up in the panel and the only way to be certain is via surgery. He presented me with several options (surgical removal of a lump in one and send to pathologist, surgical removal of lumps in both and wait it out to see if the growth reoccurs, or simply remove both testicles.) Needless to say I opted for the bilateral orchiectomy (which he agreed was probably the best choice given the rarity of bilateral seminomas) and am scheduled for surgery this Friday morning :O) I'm a bit nervous about the surgery but will be r

BrookeTS (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:43 pm eally happy to finally have them gone forever!

Ultimately his findings during the initial exam and the results of the ultrasound were enough to convince him that something needed to be done and asap. T

he radiologist who read the ultrasound

BrookeTS (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:43 pm also agreed that

BrookeTS (imported) wrote: Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:18 pm given the rarity of bilateral se

BrookeTS (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:23 am minoma

time was of the essence. We did discuss a few surgical options, but since 95% or all intr

a-testicular masses are found to be cancerous, we all agreed that surgical removal was the safest approach.

My doctor called with the preliminary findings and said there is good news (no cancer) and bad news (no definitive answers) and that further analysis is needed before a final determination is made. He said that the preliminary pathology report shows bilateral testicular infa

rction which is super rare and somewhat mysterious albeit not totally impossible. However, he did say that past testicular trauma could not be ruled out or even an infection of some sort that went undetected and untreated.

This mirrors my experience pretty well. My original diagnosis was cancer, a very rare case of bilateral seminoma. I had my blood panels checked, no blood markers for tumors present, but I was told not all tumors secrete markers. I was told that in this case, it's definitely cancer. After the surgery and post-pathology report, he also used the term "testicular infarction" (which is when bloodflow ceases to part or all of the testicles) as well as what I said earlier "focal necrosis". So there you have it, two cases with CaCl injection, waiting two months, and urologists believing it to be cancer. Pretty conclusive to me. I'm not sure how ethical it is, and I don't like fooling the medical community (it was NEVER my intention, I never thought they'd think I had cancer). But two cases with the exact same outcome. So take that as you will.

Question to Quietone before you are gone from here. As they removed your testicles, did they offer you any Testosterone replacemet therapy? If yes, then how did you refuse? And what were their reactions?

thequietone, thanks for sharing, great story, so glad everything turned out well for you. I see that you identify as female. If that's the case, I think you might have missed a golden opportunity. Do you want to have any additional physical changes? Scrotum removed? Penis removed? Labia made? If you identify as a female, do you want to go further and have female genitalia? If you do, talk to this doctor or tell him that things have changed and that you'd like to consider transgender surgery. Maybe he'll hook you up, you never know. Are you using any HRT, testosterone replacement?

Yes, thanks for sharing thequietone. Great to hear that everything turned out the way you wanted it to