kristoff wrote: Thu May 02, 2013 5:55 pm 'taint global warming - it's climate change - because it is all over the map, high and low, etc.

Well

Climate, like the weather, does change globally.

Remember Younger Dryas !

moi621 (imported) wrote: Thu May 02, 2013 6:00 pm Well

Climate, like the weather, does change globally.

Remember Younger Dryas !

Yes, and remember that the Younger Dryas was a local western European cold spell during the general Holocene warming

Mostly rain nearly no snow around me; there looks to be substantial snow near where talula lives. --FLO--

4 Inches here in Beautiful Western Wisconsin.

Screw spring, bring on summer

You realize summer is only 6 weeks away and there is still snow on the ground.

River

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Fri May 03, 2013 11:28 am 4 Inches here in Beautiful Western Wisconsin.

Screw spring, bring on summer

You realize summer is only 6 weeks away and there is still snow on the ground.

River

It will melt tomorrow or the day after.

gareth19 (imported) wrote: Thu May 02, 2013 11:30 pm Yes, and remember that the Younger Dryas was a local western European cold spell during the general Holocene warming

Sez WHO ?

The best record is in Europe, Greenland, probably neolithic settlements in Virginia that dried out and dusted over for some centuries.

Such a large effect could hardly be contained and not influence global climate or have been caused by some action on another part of the globe from your assigned location.

Volcanoes, conveyor shutdown, Oh My !

Or, what could neolithic mankind have done to cause such a thing?

Maybe it was the result of now buried and forgotten civilizations that did it.

Or does Global Climate Change Happen, Just because it does. . .

Moi

End Continental Drift

Imagine Whirled Peas

That is what we need, some continental drift, we want to see the coast of California move north to like ALASKA just to watch Moi, CRY.

River

On Thursday, 5/2/13 -

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Fri May 03, 2013 11:28 am 4 Inches here in Beautiful Western Wisconsin.

Screw spring, bring on summer

You realize summer is only 6 weeks away and there is still snow on the ground.

River

Yet that same Thursday, 5/2/13

http://weather.yahoo.com/upper-midwest- ... 49568.html

Upper Midwest schoolchildren get rare May snow day

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Schoolchildren in Minnesota and Wisconsin got a rare May snow day Thursday as a storm dropped up to 16 inches of sticky snow across a beleaguered region that was just starting to enjoy spring. . . .

A snow day from school for 4" ?

I do believe this is River's fault. The deity of Winter is trying to give him one last, long, love bite before his departure to Hawai'i where he better get along with Poli'ahu real quick for the sake of his neighbors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poli%CA%BBahu

Yes, Hawai'i has a snow deity, like they need one, yet have 4 if I read it right.

"In Hawaiian mythology, Poliʻahu is one of the four goddesses of snow, all enemies of Pele. She was thought to reside on Mauna Kea, which if measured from the seafloor is the world's tallest mountain."

Poliʻahu seems to me the #1 snow deity though. What does she require for satisfaction?

It might be cheaper to bring her offerings with you from the mainland.

Or are "we", Pagan-lite

Moi

In the Midwest? Cold? Chilled? Blame River, he failed his deities and his land knows not Spring. :tongueout

God's gonna get you for that one... not to mention River...

Sez WHO ? Brian Fagan, The Complete Ice Age, p. 189 Thames and Hudson 2009

moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri May 03, 2013 12:26 pm The best record is in Europe, Greenland, probably neolithic settlements in Virginia that dried out and dusted over for some centuries.

Such a large effect could hardly be contained and not influence global climate or have been caused by some action on another part of the globe from your assigned location.

The Younger Dryas is a feature of late Pleistocene North America and Europe; it is not noted in Asia (a fairly large amount of land, by most reckonings) nor Africa. The Neolithic does not begin until well after the end of the Younger Dryas, and North America (including Virginia) of that time was in the Upper Palaeolithic, so there were no Neolithic settlements in Virginia nor anywhere else at that time. The most probable cause, as Fagan notes, is the release of the cold freshwater from Lake Agassiz into the North Atlantic, where the desalinization reduced the heat capacity of the water and disrupted the gulf Stream, chilling western Europe. That's why it is a local feature. Some hold that the retreat of the Ice sheets during the warming simply allowed the catastrophic flow of the glacial Lake Agassiz into Hudson's Bay but another group holds that a meteor impact in the Canadian Ice Sheet cause the sudden melting and release of the ice barrier at the north end of Lake Agassiz.

You can find this material in Fagan's book or in Karl Butzer's earlier Environment and Archeology Chicago 1964, whose conclusions are briefly summarized in the Cambridge Ancient History vol. 1, part 1 Prolegomena and Prehistory.