A-1 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:33 am Americans are not about to give up their guns, so you might as well try to get that lard-assed Michael Moore

[/URL] to quit eating doughnuts...[/b]

Wasn't that my point?

Incidentally, it would be entirely possible to take away American's guns -- it would require killing hundreds of thousands of Americans in the process and taking away many other freedoms too... but it could be done. The only question is should it be done. Obviously not.

But exactly the same kind of violations of civil liberties are going on in the futile attempt to make everyone safe from the imaginary threat of terrorism.

The 9/11 attack killed 2700 people. Every year, Americans with guns kill tens of thousands of other Americans. You can't pretend that the former is enough of a threat to lock people up without trial and torture them, but that the latter isn't.

Being pro-freedom means accepting that you're not safe. You're not safe from guns, you're not safe from terrorists, Michael Moore isn't safe from inflating his ass with too many doughnuts. But it's worth it to be free.

Seriously -- freedom is worth a little risk.

Ok, I know I come across with strong opinions but I want everyone know something up front that the last thing I want to do is hurt the people here.

Everyone has suffered from unkind words, insults and barbs that were meant to hurt. As one that has suffered these injuries, I do not want to heap the same on others.

Yes, I hate islam and would like to see it wiped from the face of the earth and I hate sexual predators and wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if I put them on their knees and put a .38 into the backs of their heads. I know it may seem impossible this paragraph with my sentiments in the first two paragraphs but there really isn't any conflict. When people hurt other people and religions (any of them) brainwash followers into giving up their reason then they place themselves outside the boundries of civilized behavior and tolerance and can no longer expect to enjoy the benefits.

If there are any questions or if anyone would like me to expound on this, I am at your service.

DEATH TO ALL BELIEVERS! (Sorry, I couldn't resist the play on words commonly heard shouted by islamists.)

Taylor (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2007 5:28 am DEATH TO ALL BELIEVERS! (Sorry, I couldn't resist the play on words commonly heard shouted by islamists.)

I'll compromise with you Taylor. The threat seems to be only coming from Islamic Fundamentalists...So.....

Let's find a way to develop a powerful weapon in space that targets only fundamentalists....and in one fell swoop, ERADICATE every Islamic Fundamentalist, Jewish Fundamentalist and Christian Fundamentalist.

That would work for me.

Actually, that is going too far for even me.

Here is my counter offer: The ability to target and destroy the fundamentalists that commit or support acts of violence against others. If they are willing to leave the rest of us alone then I'm willing to leave them alone. Hey, I think the Amish are nuts but they don't bother anyone so I say leave 'em alone.

Taylor (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:24 am Actually, that is going too far for even me.

Here is my counter offer: The ability to target and destroy the fundamentalists that commit or support acts of violence against others. If they are willing to leave the rest of us alone then I'm willing to leave them alone. Hey, I think the Amish are nuts but they don't bother anyone so I say leave 'em alone.

That I can completely agree with.

MacTheWolf (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:37 am I'll compromise with you Taylor. The threat seems to be only coming from Islamic Fundamentalists...So.....

Let's find a way to develop a powerful weapon in space that targets only fundamentalists....and in one fell swoop, ERADICATE every Islamic Fundamentalist, Jewish Fundamentalist and Christian Fundamentalist.

That would work for me.

Y'all need to watch the video MINORITY REPORT (http://www.dreamworksfansite.com/minorityreport/) before you wish for something that cannot exist without a complete philosophy of Realism. OR, if you prefer, aka "DETERMINISTIC PREDESTINATION," as a Fundamentalist would say.

In other words, Mackie, you are agreeing with Fundamentalists, in principle at least, that this proposal of yours is actually possible to accomplish.

Taylor (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:24 am Actually, that is going too far for even me.

Here is my counter offer: The ability to target and destroy the fundamentalists that commit or support acts of violence against others. If they are willing to leave the rest of us alone then I'm willing to leave them alone. Hey, I think the Amish are nuts but they don't bother anyone so I say leave 'em alone.

As long as it also includes the ones who try to take over the government.

Fundamentalists don't need bombs to oppress us. They can do just as much using the police, the military, re-education programs, mandatory prayer in school, propaganda, and so on.

Yup, the religion of peace.

Gay Nigerians face Sharia death

Eighteen men have been remanded in prison following their arrest for alleged sodomy in northern Nigeria, the state-owned news agency, Nan, reports.

The men were arrested in a hotel in north-eastern Bauchi State, which is governed by the Islamic Sharia law.

The Sharia punishment for sodomy is death by stoning.

The men, reportedly wearing women's clothes, are said to have gone to Bauchi town from neighbouring states to celebrate a "gay wedding".

Sharia judge Malam Tanimu ordered that the 18 be remanded in prison after they were arraigned before him on Wednesday.

Prosecuting police officer Tadius Boboi said the men's actions had contravened Sharia law, adopted in Bauchi and a dozen other states in Muslim northern Nigeria in 2000.

Amputations

More than a dozen Nigerian Muslims have been sentenced to death by stoning and for sexual offences ranging from adultery and homosexuality.

But none of these death sentences have actually been carried out as they were either thrown out on appeal or commuted to prison terms as a result of pressure from human rights groups.

Many others have been sentenced to flogging by horsewhip for drinking.

But there have been two amputations in north-western Zamfara State which pioneered the introduction of the Islamic legal system in the country.

Taboo

Nigeria, like many African countries, is a conservative society where homosexuality is considered a taboo.

The Nigerian parliament has been trying to pass a controversial law introduced by former President Olusegun Obasanjo banning gay rights organisations.

Gay activists and some human rights groups have condemned the proposed legislation and called for its rejection.

But homosexuality and same sex marriage are illegal in Nigeria and are considered very serious offences.

In April, a woman reportedly fled Nigeria after being accused of organising a polygamous lesbian wedding.

She later denied the reports.

Two years ago, a Sharia court sentenced a man to six months in prison and fined him $38 for living as a woman for seven years in Kano.

Of course, I still say that the fact a religion can be twisted and abused by people to support their petty prejudices, incite violence, and let them maim/mutilate/kill anyone that disagrees with them does not make the religion evil, violent, etc.

It just means that most people are freaking dicks who only want religion to justify their current (bad) behaviour, not help guide them or improve them.

The Muslam religion is nothing but a cult and the more a Muslam hates and kills the better he feels Ala will be happy with him.