My problem has nothing to do with Saddam Hussein. It has to do with us. More trials would have exposed more history. It would have revealed links to other criminals.

Today the sunni elected a new leader that has a track record much like the person he replaced (Saddam). The Sunni are now talking about revenge for the atrocity of killing such a wonderful leader in such an inhuman way.

I have come to the conclusion that the Muslims only see things in black and white, they do not know how to compromise there only mode is if they dont like something is to kill the offender. They all need to be eliminated.

River

just google: "shaking hands with Saddam Hussein"

"revealing quotes of the powerful"

My own thoughts: Good bye and good riddance, Saddam! I just wish it hadn't cost each one of us in the states over $1500.00 per person so far for a war that we will be in for the next sixteen years figuring out how to get out of while we are stuck in the middle of a bunch of folks that normally would simply be fighting amongst themselves and not us.

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Riverwind (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:39 pm Today the sunni elected a new leader that has a track record much like the person he replaced (Saddam). The Sunni are now talking about revenge for the atrocity of killing such a wonderful leader in such an inhuman way.

I have come to the conclusion that the Muslims only see things in black and white, they do not know how to compromise there only mode is if they dont like something is to kill the offender. They all need to be eliminated.

River

And I have come to the conclusion that

some Red-necked stereotypical Americans also only believe in reprisal, hate and 'Nukes'. The 'elimination' of anyone or group of people is always wrong.

For one very rare occasion this week, our Deputy Prime Minister spoke for UK public opinion. He spoke of his outrage both at this execution and in the horrible taunting way it was carried out and he blamed ALL those responsible for their complicity. Making your enemy a Martyr, or 'eliminating' someone simply raises the heat/temperature and fuels war and animosity for another couple of generations. This single event and the ongoing hangings in Iraq could make this year horrendous, globally. Jaw jaw is better than war war but will that message ever get through??

devi (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:13 pm My own thoughts: Good bye and good riddance, Saddam! I just wish it hadn't cost each one of us in the states over $1500.00 per person so far for a war that we will be in for the next sixteen years figuring out how to get out of while we are stuck in the middle of a bunch of folks that normally would simply be fighting amongst themselves and not us.

:-\

Would that it were ONLY $1,500 for every American man, woman, and child. Currently the LOW estimate to cover the costs of the Iraq War, including military pensions, long-term health care for the wounded, and interest on the money that we've borrowed from China to pay for the war, comes to well over $3,000 per person. The current HIGH estimate, if we were to pull out right now, comes to over $8,000 per person.

Right on Riverwind!!!

Sac mec

Ignorant rednecks? I suppose you'd prefer we all follow the Neville Chamberlain school of diplomacy?

Generally I respect the British (hate the Royals though) but I bristle at the the tyranny of a government that has disarmed the population. I read an article some months ago that y'all (that's redneck speak) were even considering outlawing pointed knives? WTF? What's next, baseball (cricket) bats and rocks?

Taylor

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I have come to the conclusion that

some Red-necked stereotypical Americans also only believe in reprisal, hate and 'Nukes'. The 'elimination' of anyone or group of people is always wrong.

For one very rare occasion this week, our Deputy Prime Minister spoke for UK public opinion. He spoke of his outrage both at this execution and in the horrible taunting way it was carried out and he blamed ALL those responsible for their complicity. Making your enemy a Martyr, or 'eliminating' someone simply raises the heat/temperature and fuels war and animosity for another couple of generations. This single event and the ongoing hangings in Iraq could make this year horrendous, globally. Jaw jaw is bet
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ter than war war but will that message ever get through??

Sacmec is right about the aftermath of the overthrow of Saddam.

It is, indeed, similar to a Civil War in that the sentiments between those who are called 'insurgents', the folk called Sunni Muslims and the Shites, along with various foreign influences, Syria, Iran and so forth, not the least of which is the American influence will lie at the heart of animosity for years and years to come.

If you think that this will all be over soon think again!

Some are still fighting the American Civil War. (http://civilwar.cloudworth.com/confeder ... ermath.php)

You had terrorist organizations such as the Ku Klux Klan that spread into the northern states of America and various bands of renegade raiders that terrorised sparsely settled areas of the U.S. such as Texas, Missouri and so forth.

Yes, Sacmec is right. This will not go away soon. America does not belong in that part of the world, it never has and it never will. The longer that we stay the more shit that WILL happen. However, the sooner that we leave the more of a moderating effect that we may be able to have.

Cut and Run are just words that people are using to manuipulate others. Saddam is dead. Our job there is over. The Shites are in control and within 20 years Iraq will be just like Iran. That cannot be stopped any more than we could stop Viet Nam from going communist. It is just time to suck it up and to get it over with. We had no business over there in the first place in 2003.

And I STILL maintain that we should have struck Osama and the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001 with nuclear weapons because that is what they seemed to want.

Taylor (imported) wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:40 pm Right on Riverwind!!!

Sac mec

Ignorant rednecks? I suppose you'd prefer we all follow the Neville Chamberlain school of diplomacy?

Generally I respect the British (hate the Royals though) but I bristle at the the tyranny of a government that has disarmed the population. I read an article some months ago that y'all (that's redneck speak) were even considering outlawing pointed knives? WTF? What's next, baseball (cricket) bats and rocks?

Taylor

The Neville Chamberlain School of diplomacy was followed by Britain (officially)until September 1939 when war was declared. The USA followed that school of philosophy until after all of Continental Europe was either occupied or neutral and until after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour and then within days,Germany an Axis ally of Japan crazily declared war on the USA - not the other way round! Some wake up call! Being fair it has to be said that the Nazis had many supporters both in the UK and the USA; their physical education and the turn around since the Depression were admired by all Conservative news media; but all that is the past.

Traditionally the UK civilian population has been unarmed. It meant that the abolition of Capital Punishment was easily possible and that we have had a safe and civilised society. Maybe you'd call it emasculated, but think how many lives have been saved;thousands. We gave up Old Testament views

of 'an eye for an eye' nearly 50 years ago following a number of celebrated cases of innocent people being executed. Curiously you know, you can't say "Sorry" and bring them back. The real tyranny lies in a so called free 'civilised' society that supports and encourages Gun ownership and the consequent deaths of innocent civilians and possible innocent criminals who die in prison.

Sadly the outside world is etching into our laws and Cultural choices here. Guns are being imported along with Knives from Jamaica and similar islands and cheap ex Eastern European guns are appearing in Britain and in crimes committed here, apparently. It has led to the arming of the Police and sadly to some deaths of innocent civilians and Policewomen and men. However, fundamentally our country remains opposed to any support for both Guns and Knives and we have had Police amnesties on both, to help clean up developing Gang culture in certain deprived areas. People in Britain can walk the streets safely and we do use the pavements/sidewalks. I understand that British tourists in Florida are horrified to hear that it is unsafe to walk on the sidewalks around sunset. For us, on holiday in Europe this is a major enjoyable activity of our holidays/vacations and it is part of Continental and UK culture. We may speak almost the same language as the USA but as I find everyday our way of living is incompatible with yours; utterly so.

Unfortunately USA films, TV, Games, Food stores dominate our cities in the same way that they do absolutely everywhere else. On a drip drip basis, the values and cultures of not only Britain but every country are being replaced visually by your American ones. However, we are not a 'redneck' society and when violent crimes occur and make the news we have to realise that they are exceptional and not the hourly events they have become in a country where life is cheap.

By the way, if used as a weapon I'm sure a rock would be classed as an offensive weapon as would a Cricket or Rounders Bat if used criminally.

I realise these comments won't win me friends, but I am entitled to my point of view!

Sacmec,

I don't want to pee on your parade, but you had better be concerned with certain Islamic militants in Gr. Br. I understand that they are very intolerant and have bombed things...which our U.S. 'gangs' have't tried...yet...

Maybe your friends ought go to Key West instead of Miami next time...you know, where they CELEBRATE sunset every night...

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You just now noticed this?

All I have to do is go the local gas station or grocery store to hear this rhetoric over and over and over...i:-\

Oh, wait a minute, I forgot, you're from a more civilized area of the planet. Sorry!:D