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Blaise, what does your statement have to do with the comment I made? Je suis confondu.

Studlover

Studlover (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:36 am Andrew2005, hmmmm, now that a thought.."makes me gayer." Love it.

I wonder about my radical right wing Republican Christian vegetarian brother who doesn't believe in drinking cow's milk. He and his wife bought a Soy Milk Maker machine a number of years ago. They make their own soy milk and drink several glasses per day. I need to call him and ask him he is gay now and if his wife has turned into a bull dyke Lesbian. Wondered what happened to me considering I never drank the stuff.

Oh the possibilities!

Studlover

Hahaha!! That's great We can only hope. Unfortunately, soy milk isn't that potent though lol, and has little effect after the onset of puberty, so unless he's like 9 years old, we're out of luck on that one! LOL

andrew2005 (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:35 pm Hahaha!! That's great We can only hope. Unfortunately, soy milk isn't that potent though lol, and has little effect after the onset of puberty, so unless he's like 9 years old, we're out of luck on that one! LOL

andrew2005, thanks for the reminder. I forgot to mention he was on soy milk from 9 months of age due to an extreme allegy to cow's milk. I didn't drink, but I am Gay and getting gayer or is that "grayer?" I get the two mixed up.

Studlover

Studlover (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:37 pm andrew2005, thanks for the reminder. I forgot to mention he was on soy milk from 9 months of age due to an extreme allegy to cow's milk. I didn't drink, but I am Gay and getting gayer or is that "grayer?" I get the two mixed up.

Studlover

Don't worry about the difference between the two, Stud. Just remember that it really is "better!"

Ok I know that everyone's getting a great laugh out of this, and I know I'll be labeled a nut job as well, but soy is a horrible horrible horrible product.

Somebody asked about all the tons and tons of soy that japanese and chinese people eat, and why they aren't *all* gay b/c of it. well first of all, asians don't eat nearly as much soy as we think they do. in fact i wouldn't be surprised if the average american unknowingly eats more soy just b/c nearly every single processed food includes it in some way (ever notice soy lecithin is in like every product at the grocery store?)

also traditional asian soy foods are processed in a completely different way, they're fermented which changes their chemical composition significantly. It removes the phytic acid (quick note on phytic acid, it blocks the absorption of minerals and is found in nuts and legumes in small amounts, but is exists in soy beans in vastly higher concentrations than anything else) and converts the phyto-estrogens into substances which don't have a hormonal action.

this is all very well known, it's not some big conspiracy (which people tell me it sounds like all the time). I mean Shaklee (one of the biggest and most trusted names in vitamins) doesn't even sell soy as a protein supplement (originally it's biggest selling point) but as a hormone therapy alternative (soy has been proven by research to be as effective in treating post-menapausal symptoms like hot flashes etc.)

to sum it up, the soy industry is ridiculous. what we now know as soy started out as industrial waste. ingenious marketing has allowed has allowed an industrial waste product to become a "staple" food product... ridiculous.

industry7 (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:37 am Ok I know that everyone's getting a great laugh out of this, and I know I'll be labeled a nut job as well, but soy is a horrible horrible horrible product.

Somebody asked about all the tons and tons of soy that japanese and chinese people eat, and why they aren't *all* gay b/c of it. well first of all, asians don't eat nearly as much soy as we think they do. in fact i wouldn't be surprised if the average american unknowingly eats more soy just b/c nearly every single processed food includes it in some way (ever notice soy lecithin is in like every product at the grocery store?)

also traditional asian soy foods are processed in a completely different way, they're fermented which changes their chemical composition significantly. It removes the phytic acid (quick note on phytic acid, it blocks the absorption of minerals and is found in nuts and legumes in small amounts, but is exists in soy beans in vastly higher concentrations than anything else) and converts the phyto-estrogens into substances which don't have a hormonal action.

this is all very well known, it's not some big conspiracy (which people tell me it sounds like all the time). I mean Shaklee (one of the biggest and most trusted names in vitamins) doesn't even sell soy as a protein supplement (originally it's biggest selling point) but as a hormone therapy alternative (soy has been proven by research to be as effective in treating post-menapausal symptoms like hot flashes etc.)

to sum it up, the soy industry is ridiculous. what we now know as soy started out as industrial waste. ingenious marketing has allowed has allowed an industrial waste product to become a "staple" food product... ridiculous.

Industry7, How refreshing it is to hear from someone who feels about soy the same as I. All this time I thought I was the lone ranger. At least now I have some "amunition" to back me up.

Thanks.

Studlover

Chomp, chomp. These soy beans are great! After I lick the plate clean, I'd like a side order of big dick. Yum!

...I don't care...

...you guys eat all of it that you want....

...but, for GOD'S SAKE, don't feed it to the females....PLEASE!

Personally, I have bigger worries than the amount of soy that I consume, and think there are far bigger contributors to health problems than phytoestrogens from soy.

Xenoestrogens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoestrogen) are a far bigger worry, as far as I'm concerned. (And likely play a far larger role in anything attributed to soy than anything soy has done.)

Thank you IE. I get very alarmed at the way in which serious debate so often gets dumbed down until they end up being of little interest or value!

Did no-one read my post#16??

I described about how my 40 something cousin has been a Vegan all his life.

He was weened on Soya milk (as we call Soy, in the UK). He has never ever eaten animal fat or meat. He is Straight and I, the meat eater and milk drinker am Gay orientated.

In Britain BSE made beef and all its by products an illness which led to the destruction of our beef animal stock but not before millions of us had been eating it for 2 or 3 years, unknowingly. It was this meat and the suet used in mincemeat and dumplings etc.. and the gelatine used in sauces and in cakes which is a slow time bomb contaminating the blood of some unfortunate people over future years which will lead them to contracting vCJD from which people have already died.

The only 100% safe blood donors here are Vegans....so much for Soya being ridiculous. It is indeed a staple and drinking Soya milk, especially GM free is alot healthier than much of the cow's milk today.

Everyone enjoys a good laugh at minority groups values, lifestyles and beliefs

and they even produce the most dubious Scientific papers suggesting links between both sexuality and penis length. Soya milk and flour may not be to everyone's immediate taste, but then what do you think a Vegan thinks of the smell of Fast Food and beefburgers?

Fortunately, for myself I was eating a mainly Vegetarian diet here at the time of the highest risk from beef but that was simply coincidence.

Can we either have a proper debate here about Soya or else move on please?

The subject is neither a joke or ridiculous nor life threatening in the way that most of us eat.