“I think writing is a good therapy”. That’s completely true. I’ve found out quite recently how writing is an astonishing way to free your soul from a bunch of repressed things which I suppose quite everybody out there keeps hidden inside his souls and never has the courage or the chance to let them flow out. And writing on your own experiences when they are not happy and positive is always harmful. But it has the great advantage to make you feel free and well at least psychologically, because it often happens that you are not at your ease living with them.

That’s not the case of those writers who write fiction and invented stories. Even if they have a real background, I think such stories represent an impossible reality. Unrealistic situations, unbelievable facts, untrue characters are generally the expression of who and what writers themselves are and what they feel at the time of writing. I am quite convinced that they generally wish to represent a reality that they’d have wanted to live years before but they weren’t able or allowed to live. And they do their best to show such a reality as true as possible because they are trying to find a way out of or an answer to their psychological situation which generally is a mixture of repressions, sexual tendencies, unexpressed desires, social behaviours, unhappy experiences.

I’m not saying that castration of minors didn’t and doesn’t exist. It existed but it was always a limited phenomenon relegated in upper social classes and in specific times. Medical castration does exist for the many painful situations of disease and accident.

But voluntary castration of minors is another story. No minor physically and psychologically healthy can want his castration. No parent can want his sons’ castration. No medical, police authority or whoever may want castration of a kid to cure whatever deviate behaviour or psychological disease.

So in my opinion writing about minor castration is rather neutral: it does not induce to harm kids but it neither is a good thing. But moral judgment is personal and everybody should keep it for what it is and not to make the others use his same judgment measure.

But the threads here have forgotten what I think is most important for me and a tremendous aspect of the same question: psychological castration. It may be, and in a lot of cases it is, more destroying than physical castration of minors. There are cases, and in greater number than one may imagine, of teenagers compelled and convinced to hate their sexual organs and that they can live better forgetting them only because they are seen as bad things, causing teenagers to became wicked and sinful. A weak mind, such as the one of a minor, is often easy to be controlled and conditioned. That’s the real damage that a bad education causes in minors and sometimes it’s worse than physical castration. All this results into a terrible situation where some men leaving their teenage period, have no positive relation with their sexual organs and find it impossible to use them properly in their relation with both the same or the other sex. They are real eunuchs.

I would like to know what guys out there think of all this.

I think it depends on the paradigm under which you are born and raised. During the middle ages mothers in droves were having their sons castrated to be part of the vatican choir. Probably the same thing happend in Vienna also. The pope stepped and and forbade the practice before Rome was depopulated. I am sure that Chinese mothers may have helped sons that wanted to join the bureaucracy. Children have not always been as well protected or revered as they are today.

On the other hand today we have in essence sanctioned chemical castration of our children in the name of good behavior as defined by the politically correct. Who knows what the long term effect of being made into a ritalin zombie will be.

frb

frb states...

frb (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:46 pm On the other hand today we have in essence sanctioned chemical castration of our children in the name of good behavior as defined by the politically correct. Who knows what the long term effect of being made into a ritalin zombie will be.

Would you please explain to me what you are talking about here?

Thanks!

A-1

A-1,

Many people refer to the overuse of, and the modern day craze of shoving handfuls of pills like ritalin and anti-depressants down boys' throats as "chemical castration of boys".

While I am not the expert on what drug has what side effects on boys, either pre-or-pubescent, I have had some experience with a few.

One of J's friends, we'll call him Timmy, is on Concerta. He's 13, seldom gets an erection, and he's never jerked off. He's also stalled out, let's say, with puberty. This from a conversation I overheard and bits and pieces I tricked out of his dad.

When my oldest nephew was on it, he complained that he almost never got hard anymore. Since taking him off of it, bath time has increased exponentially, as has Kleenex use in the bedroom. His voice finally changed, which had been an ongoing thing for 2 years now.

Several of the boys where a close relative of mine is employed, in a "residential care facility" - read "abuse, torture, money-grubbing slave dealer facility" - are in much the same shape. All of them are on some kind of cocktail of drugs, all in the "chill pill" or anti-depressant family, and it's amazing the problems that they DON'T have with the boys...problems that anyone in their right mind that knows anything at all about boys would consider "typical boy behavior". Many of them are 'zombies', and since she's worked in laundry there for a while as a filler-inner, there's not a problem with semen stained sheets. There's also no problem with long shower/bath times, either, and no complaints whatsover about "the things that boys do."

Makes me sick.

I can't prove it, but I'm sure the prescription in the back of her car that I saw the other day for Depo-Provera wasn't for any of the GIRLS across the way, as she doesn't work THERE.

So that's what people mean when they refer to th

frb (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:46 pm e sanctioned chemical castration of our children,

especially boys. Every single one of these wildly popular drugs has some kind of emasculating side effect. You just have to figure out which ones do what. I know what Concerta did to two boys that I know, and that's all I need to know for now. I don't think I could handle knowing much more.

Paolo,

Ritalin is a mild systemic nervous system stimulant.

Children are NOT small adults. Their physiology is different. In certain individuals, especially in children, sitmulants can act as tranquilizers. Biphedimine and dexidrine and other CNS stimulants that would send an adult up a wall, calm a kid down.

Most commonly, the side effects of stimulants are appetite supression, which if not addressed, can cause delayed growth and in extreme cases delayed puberty and menarche.

By the way, there are also hyperactive girls and society really screws them up because they cannot control their hyperactivity. We say things like 'boys will be boys' when excusing uncontrollable behavior of males but with girls it is 'they are just tomboys' or even 'they are just no good''.

Concerta has no listing of sexual side effects or delays in puberty listed as a side effect.

Concerta (http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/methylphen.htm)

Ritalin has been used for around 50 years to treat hyperactivity and failure to concentrate. All in all, Ritalin is pretty safe. It sure turned my life around and I would probably be in prison if it were not for that medication. As it is I can do well on 3 - 4 hours of sleep a night and I am slightly over 50. I am not currently on ritalin, but I do drink a lot of caffinated drinks and take Wellbutrin.

On the other hand, if I had continued to be a discipline problem in school, not only would I have had authority problems, I would have had peer problems. When anyone cites the rapid rise in the use of ritalin and similar stimulants to treat hyperactivity I cite several studies of the male inmates of prisons who pass the psychological evaluation for adult hyperactivity.

In fact, may theories postulate that untreated hyperactivity causes anti-social behavior.

With that being said, I would add that any use of medicine for hyperactivity without appropriate counseling IS abusing medication. Doctors can only prescribe the medication, the parent must seek a good child psychologist to to work with the child to help them learn to control their odd behaviors which are only masked by ritalin and similar, not cured or corrected.

Ritalin has not listed sexual side effects, either.

Treatment of ADHD (http://www.ldanatl.org/aboutld/professi ... atment.asp)

Now, if you are seeing a prescription in the back of somebody's car for Depo-Provera, look at the name on the prescription. If it is for somebody else, and she is giving it to a boy in a residential care facility, that is against the law. It is the same thing as bringing them demerol or some other narcotic and administering it to them. The Physican who is writing the script is responsible.

Depo-Provera shots for birth control for girls/women are given by injection and are good for 60 to 90 days, I would have to look it up to tell you for sure, but the point is she would have to be giving those shots to the boy. Even though not frequent, it would be easy to find out if this is what is going on. They would remember a shot much more than a pill. Get the picture? You would not even have to ask the boy who is involved. The boy getting the shots would complain to his peers about them, and all of the boys would know about it.

Then, contact the physician by anonymous letter who wrote the prescription for it and inform him that the next step in your procedure is an anonymous letter to the physicians licensening board or even the impared physicians complaint department. That should stop the Depo-Provera problem.

You are right, Paolo. If it is going on, that sucks. It is just not right.

Go here (http://www.ismanet.org/resources/assist ... ogram.html)

A-1

Just to add to the mix here on both the topic of stories on the Archive related to the castration of children AND the topic of chemical castration of children “for their own good”, I’ve posted on the jokes board a satirical essay that was published in the mainstream. It clearly touches on both questions:

A Cutting Edge Approach to the Treatment of ADHD in Male Children: Surgical Castration

JesusA (imported) wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:49 pm ( http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?

p=41038). The author is a respected lawyer, specializing in pharmaceutical cases and a member of the advisory board to a large urban school district.

Paolo said it better than I did. His above post is what I wanted to say.

frb

These stories can really mess up the way you think. I'll give you an example. I have some good friends who have a really wonderful 9 year old son who I'll call Peter. Peter is the sweetest most loving little boy you have ever met and in his way he is very very bright. He's a real joy to everyone who knows him. But he has a problem speaking in complete setances. I'm sure I'm spelling this wrong but Peter is what's called autistic. A super little boy but I can't imagine that he'll ever be a father.

Anyway I was over at his house one evening as Peter was getting out of the bath and into his pajamas. I almost ALMOST asked his dad, "Have you given any thought to castration?" That's a question that would be unthinkable to any normal person but I almost let it slip out. That's why I stopped writting. It's time to get my mind on other things.

Eugenics is the name that is given to what you are suggesting.

Read Here (http://www.ewtn.com/library/PROLENC/ENCYC105.HTM)

The first law in America was passed in Indiana in 1907... (http://bridegroompress.com/catalog/arti ... cles_id=79)

Forced sterilization of AmericanIndian women... (http://www.ratical.org/ratville/sterilize.html)

Margaret Sanger and sterilization... (http://dianedew.com/sanger.htm)

Hitler inspired by...America???!!! (http://jonjayray.netfirms.com/lefteug2.html)

California sterilizes 60,000..Gray Davis offers an apology... (http://hnn.us/readcomment.php?id=9440)

Well, that's enough for now.

Let us not discuss the sterilization of anybody against their will... unless it is in a fantasy...

A-1

Timothy (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:00 pm I almost ALMOST asked his dad, "Have you given any thought to castration?" That's a question that would be unthinkable to any normal person but I almost let it slip out. That's why I stopped writting. It's time to get my mind on other things.

Since you have stopped writing, do you want me to finish the Sander story by myself? I would prefer that I write a first draft and you make any changes you want and then post it because it is your story.

You came up with the characters and situation and they are very good characters and situations. You have also done things that I would never think of and things that I would never be bold enough to do. I would never had thought to have Amy bathe Sander and say that it was cute that he was shy and I would not have been bold enough to have the client hump Timmy on the beach but both of these things worked very well.